From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 05 08:41:51 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LJsWV-00069X-Jf for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:41:51 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com ([209.85.198.239]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LJsWS-00068q-0U for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:41:51 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f9so6749130rvb.5 for ; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:41:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=oPq4d5e5CfrAyJc8uEddxfvsXpqKTTaxyODhphv3iPg=; b=NUrX/eqfSHl5NwIzxpinRUVr2R1k65haZlWh3zaG+Y0og6sAhzOpxvd4G9uup9H00x W2jBQMoYdEW3lh4AM7JDSGeaxfAoWBIHDT2ZHFue1mjXnsmaW0GJXLzjRH5zIsZhsVw0 orHH0GpsHjBpQ7a5pbQpNQ2qtd9JlUaHiRJis= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=KUazHG0bGjWCPfrdjtFJpjMgaWO7zfbc/vo22bv6oWTIU20mrfKSC4O5xXRLDCk4MV B5MmvVQXfty7GA/YW5mHa8YP3JB0nXTTINp/CkbcKewuRpb0GStLimqJpC7mhS+yLoe6 becDx8WF30IMS445l5uyYtaSKK/1PXhX6bcN0= Received: by 10.140.226.13 with SMTP id y13mr10465567rvg.93.1231173706520; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.194.15 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:41:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560901050841l3f43f7e1vc50a3aeaf565db01@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:41:46 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: ke'a in lo nu binxo In-Reply-To: <5715b9300901050820j481a51ebv609ccb526eb95341@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5715b9300901050820j481a51ebv609ccb526eb95341@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1154 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > .... .i lo vrici bukpu mupli to lo nu litru vecnu cu jibri la .samsas. toi > cu kuspe cpana lo jubme noi ga'u ke'a dandu fa lo pixra poi gy ke'a pu za > katna vimcu lo karni gi'e punji lo melbi.... > > So we have a poi inside of a noi, in this situation what exactly is the > inner-most ke'a referring to? {lo pixra}. (You could probably guess it from context, since it wouldn't make much sense for it to be {lo jubme}.) > Is it possible to refer to the outermost > "relativised it" from within a double nested relative clause? It's possible, yes. One way is to use {ke'a goi ko'a} in the outer clause, and then use {ko'a} in the inner clause. That's probably the least confusing way. Another way is to use a subscript, but I never remember the exact convention, either {ke'a xi pa} or {ke'a xi re}. mu'o mi'e xorxes