From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jan 09 17:07:27 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:07:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LLSJz-0001AJ-H5 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:07:27 -0800 Received: from mx.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.19] helo=sdf.lonestar.org ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LLSJu-00019K-Ck for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:07:27 -0800 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0A17HNt011056 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:07:17 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.2/8.12.8/Submit) id n0A17HuB006499 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:07:17 GMT Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:07:17 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: sei Message-ID: <20090110010714.GA19654@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <4de8c3930901091639o3fe47568i24ca8e4d02aa949@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930901091639o3fe47568i24ca8e4d02aa949@mail.gmail.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1163 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners de'i li 10 pi'e 01 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. paskal.kos .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > How free is "sei"? .skamyxatra It's as free as any other free modifier (UI, COI, subscripts, TO/TOI, "{.y.}", etc.). > Can it be between BE and LE/LA, like: > > lo se platu be sei merja'a la .barak.obamas. That's completely syntactically correct, as would be "{be la sei merja'a .barak.obamas.}." However, "{sei}" is used to make a metalinguistic comment about the sentence itself, not about the subject matter of the sentence. A better way to translate the above would be "{la poi merja'a .barak.obamas.}." mu'omi'e la'o gy. Minimiscience .gy. -- do ganai ka'e tcidu dei gi djuno lo dukse