From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jan 13 08:03:23 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:03:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LMljf-00080L-6w for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:03:23 -0800 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LMljb-0007zt-Oh for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:03:23 -0800 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so31989yxp.46 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:03:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=EXqxQlkpjGQ3OyVy6+4HpQesxTlu+1Tl8bHAbLB8l9I=; b=sMNrmLSng65ls712ZU02sukdPk4srdgSIsOc0aO8CAIa/vD5AHzap1OkYmEdezm1BK 0wdKfq/qvNe/iF42Qw430JePBWFO00fctiDpM4XMJCdkkMbEp2kHj+0R769mIJtSm4WP GZkNnwX7Uy7Y1P5Ol4iZ2MMScwegl7MDnMFqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=A3ZVj7IgqM6qAgLPhMRLfoO3zZuwTgtyYUyzKTQ4wJCqKCFVM8YNs4H0jDZrAR5TyH qWG/66i3nhmpBej3MlPRvAPRnzeA6U7QsHyP0rhHcDsXxHFtlImFH07vsOuZdk/I0Bez oN/cm1SwEhj1+vXGG8ZV3xfuo/0NvYaDS6Se8= Received: by 10.150.230.15 with SMTP id c15mr4237482ybh.241.1231862598529; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:03:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.199.9 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:03:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5715b9300901130803w132cd860sd253b5e2bd72e24d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:03:18 -0500 From: "Luke Bergen" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: fa fe fi se te... In-Reply-To: <96f789a60901130757i61beef2dga76334f83e7f46a7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_82506_17135352.1231862598518" References: <5715b9300901020747s28c0d177ib421215aac0afcae@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60901130708l586ecc3anfb5b3ea3c9d832a5@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300901130712l3cff7d0fnb01d4a646db381d@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60901130757i61beef2dga76334f83e7f46a7@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1176 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_82506_17135352.1231862598518 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm a little scared... what have I gotten myself into. - Luke Bergen On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > kelci'e (or more canonically, (that is, appearing in the gismu list) > ci'erkei) is a game (from (se) kelci+ciste -> play(ed with) system). The > other part switches the orders around so that it would be "x1 x2 x3 x4 x5 > sevetevexeseteve broda" would be the same as "x3 x5 x1 x4 x2 broda". The > sentence basically translates to "a shell is a game component" (playing off > Brett's mention of a "shell game") > . > --gejyspa > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> what is this game? What on earth does that sentence translate to.... even >> if the seveteve.... was a simple se I wouldn't really know how to translate >> that kelci'e >> >> - Luke Bergen >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Turniansky < >> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Brett Williams wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Tricks like that (or the sevetevexeseteve shell game for instance) can >>>> be fun puzzles but should be kept away from practical communication. >>>> >>>> >>> lo calku cu sevetevexeseteve kelci'e >>> >>> >>> >> > ------=_Part_82506_17135352.1231862598518 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm a little scared... what have I gotten myself into.

- Luke Bergen


On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
  kelci'e (or more canonically, (that is, appearing in the gismu list) ci'erkei) is a game (from (se) kelci+ciste -> play(ed with) system).  The other part switches the orders around so that it would be "x1 x2 x3 x4 x5 sevetevexeseteve  broda" would be the same as "x3 x5 x1 x4 x2 broda".  The sentence basically translates to "a shell is a game component" (playing off Brett's mention of a "shell game")
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                 --gejyspa


On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
what is this game?  What on earth does that sentence translate to.... even if the seveteve.... was a simple se I wouldn't really know how to translate that kelci'e

- Luke Bergen



On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 1:32 AM, Brett Williams <mungojelly@gmail.com> wrote:

Tricks like that (or the sevetevexeseteve shell game for instance) can
be fun puzzles but should be kept away from practical communication.


 lo calku  cu sevetevexeseteve kelci'e
 




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