From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 19 03:37:15 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LOsRO-0005GE-B3 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:37:15 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.240]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LOsRH-0005G5-6O for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:37:09 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so2837148rvf.46 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:37:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VaBr7C4a39pyKlUD9R4IsclX0dhBtu3NkgjXNPZS3So=; b=EhwksxeAlOTu/q2O9sIF20G9/5nZmDfJ7GGdzMRQrWXt87x6Ut1HyRkrX28qHm0SbZ 5QuqOG/Vn1uJkxYf1gbyakiYYgJPx/fpm18cXYqiPADD1F8FWOeLnCecIp9VFdpfFrO4 UniOvfKesmUieJm71UXzdG156y+rbTM2yPMZs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HBSEaN+xdbirLCfBnXcbBCtCcVgQ3IsbnGPIN07V2r7nV+Tqp8zTmffOKgb4fx/AAI u3U1rB6WLQH1tUK0+3jfW0JKDQuZ+zMJ7Ei3wNnQeG9wup2UPeJEo3H0XgrArRBEs5Q4 Qut55H2oLzqvTQFykK7AQx+gBXtoFH8QnTaOU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.68.12 with SMTP id v12mr1441654rvk.153.1232365026367; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:37:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:37:06 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560901190337o110e20f7if7db7a92b5ee2724@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: caucme/cmecau (was "xelfanva") From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1228 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Brett Williams wrote: > > Lojban is still such a small language. I'm sure having Jbotcan use > the word "caucme" all day long has a lot of effect on how people > think. Exactly, that's why it's unfortunate that they translated "anonymous" as "caucme", when they could have used "cmecau". > I know that word is in my mind. (Jbotcan is back up BTW, > yay!!! .ui cai) ui > This is how I think of it: If you don't have a name, then you're > cmecau. Right. You are nameless, anonymous, without a name. > But someone who's named "Anonymous" does have a name, namely > "Anonymous". Anything can be a name, and something descriptive like "anonymous" can be a name too, yes. But "caucme" does not match "anonymous". > They have a name which is "caucme", a lacking name, that > is to say a name which is lacking the property of distinguishing an > individual. Yes, "caucme" describes the name, not the person. (It can be used as the name of a person, anything can be used as a name, but it's confusing.) > One such name (the one used on Jbotcan) is zo "caucme" > itself, which is self-descriptive But why would a name that describes itself be especially desirable? What about using "the-twenty-lettered-one" as a name? That one describes itself too. >(another perfectly reasonable one > would be zo "cmecau", describing its user). Much more reasonable, in my opinion. > I like both of those words. :) I also like both "djisku" and "skudji". :) "djisku" and "skudji" are near synonyms. "cmecau" and "caucme" have completely different meanings. mu'o mi'e xorxes