From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jan 24 15:14:54 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LQriI-0004a5-Cn for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:14:54 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.250]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LQriG-0004Zk-1t for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:14:54 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so5782136rvf.46 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:14:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=I06BqwznzFoJwOonT2mWD4TZgSZAL6QfStPY/8ftUdY=; b=crGSmW3oWPfqHlOIt5dAuZufNSAW5ydurkpdi5XnJ7MRkzT3garHk7b9Wx6YzlJUoC WFvbihZSzN8YRTZdVFJ8x8gvwvZJXONVRMSjWClAb8u3tGl5SzXSKZAPLiicObqji3p7 j64EMNdWbzL9sVAas4ktRIqpPLjolOtOoMioc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xZ23iTgqFUQ8MCynuaNs3cncBTj+7Gf8MM1OTMFrXIEXGT8mkfWq5HFVCLauqS5Er1 79oN8CwF78b994xN1vUjtiaHRybwaXrJfJZbtc3BFCQ2PaT9l1rfHR2hUyEp37RSrPIZ McpxVN8Rd0vLrDG9Zr4Tb+8t/0JodDfWPI1Ag= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.171.18 with SMTP id t18mr813272rve.10.1232838890340; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:14:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:14:50 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560901241514i77dd7ea8me7f8eac77bd30347@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: What is love? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1295 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 1/24/09, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > > My impression was that "na'e" implies that something is still done, just not > what's negated. That would be the most reasonable way to understand it. "na'e broda" requires something other than broda, among all the options. Normally, the options will be taken to be such that all the other options are incompatible with broda, and so doing anything else will exclude doing broda. > Here "na'e" would mean that Language still has license to do > something to you, just not hurt you. To comply with the "ko", it would in fact be required to do something else, not just licensed. But logically, you are only asking it to do something, not to refrain from doing anything else. > There is no possibility of "in addition to" hurting you. "cinba", "kissing", is an example of non-hurting. If it kisses you, then it is complying, it is other-than-hurting you. And that's true whether or not it is also hurting you. Logically, it can both hurt you and other-than-hurt you at the same time. But I agree that normally when one says "na'e broda" one intends something incompatible with broda. mu'o mi'e xorxes