From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jan 31 12:01:26 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:01:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LTM1u-0004Tz-RS for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:01:26 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f12.google.com ([209.85.218.12]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LTM1r-0004Tc-O8 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:01:26 -0800 Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so645050bwz.10 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:01:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=llQ2d5YMBFEGuh82g1801W0on2T3BHQphKiaqJFQJ0I=; b=frkwMNdCzAaVLjGOgfeoL0Cv6/KL1uE5KAUb8xpYxYP+BfbvEllX/KjFFeD7Rc3izl tjXiP64JvGDWNm1m1w29FHiXuua5qJD/jN5EeK4XsmX7M8k0GceOhSLhObR8st4eJpx1 TqKznyvgW9MIJ4Enm+zAZgIq2LUCLOUuj3jZ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eHh1RZ1/xwpz4Rc8k1LNAOYTpaFD3u5DiTULgFkarlyzEOBuYL3h5gQ30ZiEvV1uDJ 1RQs8KdDxhPqZzVsm0p9mUjTy0p6TlTUzd2uaSBfwvaog2WX/q0u4EJDeEHMfZQi9o7s b85DC/Er20qgH5cHflp+br2apPTuHfJoxky2E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.108.15 with SMTP id d15mr518228fap.105.1233432076945; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:01:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <702226df0901211655ka7aef7bo3a40a6d4d7d0727b@mail.gmail.com> References: <702226df0901211655ka7aef7bo3a40a6d4d7d0727b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:01:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Parallel confusion. From: Brett Williams To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1303 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mungojelly@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: > I've just run across something rather confusing in Parallel Plus. In Module > 1, Example 158, the English is "Anna's bicycle", but the Lojban given is {le > la .anas. karce}, instead of the nigh impossible for me to pronounce > {relxilma'e} I expected. > > Is this an error, or did the author decide that a bike fits a rather loose > interpretation of car? I'd say it's a less standard usage. I think to be a "karce" something needs a motor. I might call a motorcycle a "karce", but not a manual bike. I can say "relxilma'e" easily enough, after a few years of practice, if that's encouraging. A lot of people seem to not like it, though, so we might give za'e "jmama'e" a try? mu'o mi'e la stela se ckiku