From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Feb 27 11:20:59 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ld8GZ-0003RT-FQ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:20:59 -0800 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ld8GW-0003R9-Sj for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:20:59 -0800 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so903859ywq.46 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:20:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mggj6rA4d9snB4abtOIBIbuaeNqinU7YSDhNSaQy6qw=; b=HMtWaqKB9Mo912hh1siRZOsLEMakc70faOTJ6AWOpyhtwyJN8T8c+Cnd2Nn3FMZmED 99ox/zGhOpWRii3D+r9Nj7qJY+s3XeLy6mFrtV7S7q8OaZwfg2xlM6bzJsGzMVZKeoy7 d3mocX4Iscebe08jbOaayLe0cG1b3TTw/EODk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=M39Qw9rV4zs+Rpj9ptBIomLpuJrMKv35D4dRRn49VX3NiMJT4z/sk25JtRbRscQuy1 S7dVDQIVCxKpehk+ExaqrefBzRI8aLufPXDZFq5gk2Zg+z+iDoGY7XDeKmbR4fJtc/K7 5xPTF27TrQMcYWv1J+CovYI6o2DdxZT/1bzHE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.100.4 with SMTP id w4mr2236326qcn.11.1235762454775; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:20:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:20:54 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560902271120w4e942c06u7063d3165f9caeb3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: pro-selbri ? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1364 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 2/27/09, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > > Why is "mu'o" not said last? The whole community does this. It seems to me > that as soon as "mu'o" is used, the speaker should be waiting for a > response, > rather than continuing to speak, which negates the whole point of "mu'o". "mu'o" is in selma'o COI, it introduces a vocative phrase, so it is naturally followed by the name or description of the person one is talking to, or by mi'e plus the name or description of the speaker. The name/description is optional, and the terminator "do'u" is often elidable, but the vocative phrase does not really terminate with "mu'o". It is the vocative phrase as a whole that indicates that you are done speaking. mu'o mi'e xorxes