From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Feb 27 15:00:52 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:00:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LdBhM-00005U-9y for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:00:52 -0800 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.241]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LdBhJ-00005D-PY for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:00:52 -0800 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so1050835anc.1 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:00:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8cCZImcy7nIWffcqNSRk/Yytwp50ZAQbkz+n1EOhuDc=; b=a3QUkUXo9JDPeOns5YrIsz5p+jGF8gE8CDIY/TkT+Dqk89K5AJ9o2GpAYOf6edfmAC h868hAs1QqrxiWNvDRZ3XtxbhGUXGpH+LleVPqgPXqWWJdV/nKq52c87nvl9A8kSUVUz 8v1wpLOKmajXLBiDSl8XeIUhCFp3cYWn5RfMo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pUcIE7hMu/yMy83JIeSuqrHZr/R17hcq1qhsEWiQIJb91S8s3r0/l1vf4fof1PW0UA DHqomJZ2NTCd11C2FxOutFwpmhAA1UyK08PQjoONaubxqccTyHYQE8BdykBeb9C2Jm/l bS9uDPX0LNycd4oedAfkFyuQpYYfpEDRtH520= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.136.18 with SMTP id j18mr3156880and.77.1235775647708; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:00:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:00:46 -0500 Message-ID: <425e4ac20902271500o29e048ag55ed70c10000c035@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: pro-selbri ? From: Stela Selckiku To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1366 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: selckiku@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:55 AM, wrote: > Why is "mu'o" not said last?  The whole community does this.  It seems to me > that as soon as "mu'o" is used, the speaker should be waiting for a > response, rather than continuing to speak, which negates the whole point of > "mu'o". Well "mu'o" has more than one point, I'd say, or at least a complex history. Long ago we used to use "co'o" mostly to sign off emails, but there was a general consensus that "mu'o" is somewhat more appropriate, since you're not really saying "bye I'm leaving", but more like "OK I'm done talking, your turn". (If I wrote an email that I didn't want a response to, though, I'd end it "fe'o".) Since talking over each other isn't really a concern in an email, I don't worry about that. I generally do make the bridi to which the "mu'o" attaches (I either think of it attaching to the last bridi I said, or I say an "i" to attach it to an empty bridi) the last bridi in my email, but I'm not even above saying a "p.s." now and again. (I'd kind of like a lujvo for "p.s." to use with "sei", in fact.) For being absolutely completely done with what I'm saying I'd go with "fa'o", for being totally done talking to someone I'd say "fe'o", and for saying that I'm immediately ready to hear what someone else has to say I'd use "re'i". mu'o stevon mi'e selkik re'i do fa'o