From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 02 09:32:31 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:32:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LeC0E-0001RX-Uk for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:32:31 -0800 Received: from mail-gx0-f175.google.com ([209.85.217.175]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LeC0C-0001Qp-DB for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:32:30 -0800 Received: by gxk23 with SMTP id 23so4521037gxk.10 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:32:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6qVn5OkmWev1FN2Y36SnEtP+4xhzI1k1Mhg7Z3CS2EM=; b=nhuaw5AS7YEtty22Uito6PC1WKn0dgqB1dzRItpqzF0gE6MRsavUBOX0eLRO4/EMVS JnU/ZRbIUtl76vXZYtzk5RsNtkiAgX9rB1MU9WoLAFeZ1kiDIbVXDHN32tO4MfS1GfjH ldLdDRa2g0HTdO/h1WWw0mYPE9o8O34uvXGpE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eSe5hyXzTz+/DgKMD1KvT4qBU3/jzWU8Q/CkbWKA+mETz9IR47N3UAdL85qlc3Q/GW CVsq8d8bWobKD+rEdMr0u8tYox4ev+RLE3JA2KZEfDAyVDUBelJAgr63xUi15WAWJGZ0 c7CFCoK2hme2jPpNF7CO7YXpY5LHTszyk/eNg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.189.10 with SMTP id m10mr1530398anf.138.1236015129689; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:32:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <70697fa40903020804y946b44bxe182a877d2cf77f@mail.gmail.com> References: <70697fa40903012056l33282c52wa186bb16109c5059@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930903020421n2e1e76fdo368df594e382bdeb@mail.gmail.com> <70697fa40903020804y946b44bxe182a877d2cf77f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:32:09 +0100 Message-ID: <4de8c3930903020932u3f7bbc1doaddb59211b98124b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How to express " though " "even if " From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1377 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/3/2 J Y : >> I usually use "to'e ki'u nai" for that, literally "not prevented by": >> >>  mi gleki to'eki'unai lo nu mi pindi >> > > That is hard to understand for me. It *was* for me too, pretty much. ;) > In fact I want to mean > { lonu mi pindi na mukti lonu mi na gleki }&{lonu mi pindi na srana lonu mi gleki }   ( ra'anai lonu pindi ? ) > > mu'o mi'e la se cfipu Then: mi pindi semu'inai lo nu na gleki sera'anai lo nu gleki The second term might be better expressed with { jei }: { lo jei gleki }. mu'o mi'e tijlan