From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 04 02:38:12 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 02:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LeoUO-0005iY-Mr for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 02:38:12 -0800 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.145]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LeoUM-0005iD-1u for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 02:38:12 -0800 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 13so504266eye.58 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 02:38:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xUiiOg1YiBgRylI5yTAEgulMvoFLII1UXw/GFQg6C18=; b=lAzWj7o7fNQ/UwvjQ5hp6tg67fhkLHQaUuMFJ+y8vgyWd+/gZeTg3DWvAbqhuAoUsu TH3EQBrA5xcWTPiPJp/hARKWdGBg9tL6DWovFwfDPZJRJDeTPhxQCFIdRpRxivXCOamu zk1xI+1veRFSZxijgpLnWyCEgyI8oVDZYS58Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Z9oRax2EfBxrzathyxzulHo6UlHyNql9lkm2pbewV+bP36/h1lyy5bfPT9Pf1kPeWn CEiA2Eroyq/LKjHpc1ehRFfAR2/5lJ0A/bRL9nJHwcU1/uJyP+9f90FAHjvLXT/r7B+i nW+tt6REHhT/V12by92gHgxWcuwYIIXE+HyL0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.137.17 with SMTP id k17mr4886466ebd.6.1236163088876; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 02:38:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <425e4ac20903040114q5f7c87cfibc2207199b083ee3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090302231357.GF25033@sunflowerriver.org> <425e4ac20903032110xe9e5e8cy2853275e40383813@mail.gmail.com> <5a3750120903032327v653fd950u7ae2bbfa787d11d7@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20903040114q5f7c87cfibc2207199b083ee3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:38:07 +0200 Message-ID: <5a3750120903040238h62ae05c6g7607d17dcba7be32@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: grammar check for my first few sentences From: Oleksii Melnyk To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1386 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lamelnyk@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners >Hopefully I understand your question. Ok, let's take an easier way:) I do have successfully parsed the sentence. But it took a lot of "backtracking" -- about 3 minutes at my poor organic cells powered brain. As i remember (and probably i'm wrong) "ba" can be used as sumtcita, so, failing at "no sumti after", it should try to add "baku" to "ricfu", then to "ka", than to "zenba", than to "nu", every times leading to "second selbri" failure at "jalge". Or i just spend to much time with computer programs:)? 2009/3/4, Stela Selckiku : > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Oleksii Melnyk wrote: >>>lo nu la .lojban. zenba lo ka ricfu ba jalge loi nu do pilno >> >> xu so'o zo kei poi lidne zo ba cu drani zo'e di'u lo gerna be la lojban. > > .i .a'o mi fi lo do preti cu jimpe > (Hopefully I understand your question.) > > .i .ia drani gi'e ku'i na'e sarcu > (I believe correct, but not necessary.) > > > lo nu la .lojban. zenba lo ka ricfu [kei kei cu] ba jalge loi nu do pilno > > > [fa] lo nu [fa] la .lojban. [ku cu] zenba [fe] lo ka [ce'u cu] ricfu > [vau kei ku vau kei ku cu (all implied by this "ba", which has to > start a selbri (because it's followed by brivla and not a gadri), and > both of the previous abstractions have selbri, "ricfu" and then going > out further "zenba")] ba jalge [fe] loi nu [fa] do [cu] pilno [vau kei > ku vau] > > > OK wait maybe a tree structure?! > > > [fa] lo nu > [fa] la .lojban. > [cu] zenba > [fe] lo ka [ce'u cu] ricfu [vau kei ku vau kei ku] > > [cu] ba jalge > > [fe] loi nu > [fa] do > [cu] pilno [vau kei ku vau] > > > > mu'o te preti mi'e selkik > > > > -- mu'o mi'e lex