From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 09 09:22:19 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LgiF9-000892-Na for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:22:19 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f175.google.com ([209.85.217.175]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LgiF5-000887-92 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:22:19 -0700 Received: by gxk23 with SMTP id 23so2434368gxk.10 for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:22:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+GHtro9RcJVl9oLw2Ovpy5YaGcTtovl7pegd05+m/rw=; b=j5+vKtrKcFs+qvVIaWf2mbKvQxqrNqE0SVqjEUn+nwUI7c2bFmPJM1hVX5w9oaY5Bs Wkh5iaIfkT4vVD5UV9RsPndqAnyRZep/29DgYEE7F+Vvvrsje5NLRURZ5yw3dLJAF8xa m0+j1oOdD0B1PfmkCpQeTsVrHMvgUAO1H1/ZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=fh5Q3eRaihcdWCniL1Vek8dwlfDpRjiF0z8xDtaMWm1sXJ0hmuhDnfIsTc8Yr9Ed2k jrkOYSJg5GsDH/rwwF7pmih0+74r9AHrb30wNs5h0ewfTeDGq1yzzBiMhK+3Z4p5Nw73 y+DGtOtkGR0Gkg/CDgnQ56cpVkMwjhVxGLF8Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.218.4 with SMTP id q4mr2614016wfg.76.1236615728773; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:22:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300903050808k7891af9bt51170da8df68c75d@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300903050615o2b121b4j3d872ca6545d1da@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160903050757v392fb65di29e53199c3ac3414@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300903050808k7891af9bt51170da8df68c75d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60903090922p6cd8438ased67de046eb91ac4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: difference between di'o and tu'i From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd22f283cbe310464b2091e X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1404 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --000e0cd22f283cbe310464b2091e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > ahh, thank you. So for instance, "where is the bathroom" might be "ma tu'i > lo vimku'a" while "where is the book" would probably be "ma se di'o lo > cukta". Am I right? > > Remember that modals such as tu'i and di'o modify the relationship in a bridi, they aren't a relationship themselves. So you must use the actual gismu that these modals come from: "ma stuzi lo vimku'a" and "ma se diklo lo cukta". Now, on the other hand, you could say something like "tu'i ma mi ka'e facki fi lo vimku'a" ("In what site can I find the bathroom?", but that question could be answered legitimately by any place from where you could see the bathroom, whether or not the bathroom was actually there) and "sedi'o ma mi pu tcidu lo cukta" (where was I reading the book?" (lit. "location where? I was reading the book") --gejyspa --000e0cd22f283cbe310464b2091e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Luke Be= rgen <lukeabe= rgen@gmail.com> wrote:
ahh, thank you.=C2=A0 So for instance, "where is the bathroom" mi= ght be "ma tu'i lo vimku'a" while "where is the book= " would probably be "ma se di'o lo cukta".=C2=A0 Am I ri= ght?

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=C2=A0=C2=A0 Remember that modals su= ch as tu'i and di'o modify the relationship in a bridi, they aren&#= 39;t a relationship themselves.=C2=A0 So you must use the actual gismu that= these modals come from:=C2=A0 "ma stuzi lo vimku'a" and &quo= t;ma se diklo lo cukta". Now, on the other hand, you could say somethi= ng like "tu'i ma mi ka'e facki fi lo vimku'a" ("= In what site can I find the bathroom?", but that question could be ans= wered legitimately by any place from where you could see the bathroom, whet= her or not the bathroom was actually there)=C2=A0 and "sedi'o ma m= i pu tcidu lo cukta"=C2=A0 (where was I reading the book?" (lit. = "location where? I was reading the book")

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