From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 11 06:11:47 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LhODr-0003kf-Bj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:11:47 -0700 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LhODk-0003ju-I4 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:11:47 -0700 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so1354198yxi.46 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:11:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Y18zNZIwRmglkqatCrXEvH0x3TrBePtFe+qp3ulYhPg=; b=Xr16KLJ0OLDYCb55xu6PDchZI32aOuiNVb7izPePZx90xWbIBJLLhQvcDsy1xL492y UjPXEbLsSgiw3ZZelQHljW5sGQY6W0BzL7pUqZaEhRlh2D/tuIW5XvD82fgjtyRWvMo0 j+3mfqTs+/Zyx9Db6LD4wDQAuuKVUcklxg1mA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KxTwIqLkVi6pSmn12/aVSKf0GNtFnAX36StT3brLspCZ28bLI59oaVFyHw3ujxN9Qy A5VYSt5JkLzPdXflM1u99xYXkzzeXw7enJSfA4eBFx0V50LAojMJ4b1x+RqxF9bgWOQA OZSmf1QuqemDoVz9Wi+dwEba58f4UIBmuRIGg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.98.81 with SMTP id p17mr3095559vcn.79.1236777099379; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:11:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200903102259.04249.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <5715b9300903101354n1f06bcfbmc485a82c5b8b25df@mail.gmail.com> <20090310221726.GA13218@sdf.lonestar.org> <200903102259.04249.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:11:39 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300903110611q53c9e2cdu20a218642d2a7219@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: vreta From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64ec364acc2b00464d79b96 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1412 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0016e64ec364acc2b00464d79b96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see. So like most things lojban, you can't count on the "approximate english equivalent" to be at all regular or normal. eg. "___ing = nu ____" is not always (or even usually) a good generalization. - Luke Bergen On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 10 March 2009 18:17:28 Minimiscience wrote: > > The problem is that, in English, the present participle of a verb (the > form > > used, among other places, in the progressive form, e.g., "Zoe is > ____ing") > > is the same as the gerund (the form used in a noun phrase corresponding > to > > Lojban "{nu}"). > > A few centuries ago, they weren't: the participle ended in "-ind". In > German > they end in "-end" and "-ung". > > Pierre > > > > --0016e64ec364acc2b00464d79b96 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see.=A0 So like most things lojban, you can't count on the "appr= oximate english equivalent" to be at all regular or normal.=A0 eg. &qu= ot;___ing =3D nu ____" is not always (or even usually) a good generali= zation.

- Luke Bergen


On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Pierre= Abbat <phma@phm= a.optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 18:17:28 Minimiscience wrote: > The problem is that, in English, the present participle of a verb (the= form
> used, among other places, in the progressive form, e.g., "Zoe is = ____ing")
> is the same as the gerund (the form used in a noun phrase correspondin= g to
> Lojban "{nu}").

A few centuries ago, they weren't: the participle ended in "= -ind". In German
they end in "-end" and "-ung".

Pierre




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