From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 16 07:10:58 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LjDWr-0006Nj-2L for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:10:58 -0700 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LjDWn-0006NP-96 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:10:56 -0700 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so1633051qwa.58 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:10:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xlbIEwoTjLbjojkqTEr9K+C4Pcz9Jq18XFJa4MCIu7g=; b=hDK+bmWBPK24+ir2ClrOps5wJN29u71Pi+h1MCYUq4/fZ+07tzz9lTRYPEZl/WeKSX EZk0R7o0MKNjMqLrXbnEtKYb0fUlA1iAKQbAm/0m/YODqBPIiVEfU21TiqP7tjXlkJed As28WTcgwp0mKDm3p6xjaq0SGc7UIMkL3S4Kk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=V5lSnk1l5327kSd+311ze7XsNwF31zzGyldAlgEdieOlsf/f+/7ymvkgASwXRIk3ao ZIHzB8nhh0tga/aDqT/U2NYv7VOtTx/7k1a7k9eLVX1mPdmalZImezboY1FriPwX3+iO qBFX4rcf3/wqkJE82h0XroaNwfN1abVGPSLSQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.74.20 with SMTP id s20mr1337807vcj.36.1237212650136; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:10:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090316140827.5989D826F64@synx.us.to> References: <5715b9300903110611q53c9e2cdu20a218642d2a7219@mail.gmail.com> <20090316140827.5989D826F64@synx.us.to> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:10:50 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300903160710x55fb2181o8e65f7c8153df5be@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b7a9c85e4cf04653d0469 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1421 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0016363b7a9c85e4cf04653d0469 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is anybody else getting these? - Luke Bergen On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Mail Delivery System < MAILER-DAEMON@synx.us.to> wrote: > This is the mail system at host synx.us.to. > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not > be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. > > For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > delete your own text from the attached returned message. > > The mail system > > (expanded from ): temporary failure. > Command output: connect: No such file or directory > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; synx@synx.us.to > Original-Recipient: rfc822;lists@synx.us.to > Action: failed > Status: 4.3.0 > Diagnostic-Code: x-unix; connect: No such file or directory > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Luke Bergen > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:11:39 -0400 > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: vreta > I see. So like most things lojban, you can't count on the "approximate > english equivalent" to be at all regular or normal. eg. "___ing = nu ____" > is not always (or even usually) a good generalization. > > - Luke Bergen > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Tuesday 10 March 2009 18:17:28 Minimiscience wrote: >> > The problem is that, in English, the present participle of a verb (the >> form >> > used, among other places, in the progressive form, e.g., "Zoe is >> ____ing") >> > is the same as the gerund (the form used in a noun phrase corresponding >> to >> > Lojban "{nu}"). >> >> A few centuries ago, they weren't: the participle ended in "-ind". In >> German >> they end in "-end" and "-ung". >> >> Pierre >> >> >> >> > > --0016363b7a9c85e4cf04653d0469 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is anybody else getting these?

- Luke Bergen


On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Mail D= elivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@synx.us.to> wrote:
This is the mail system at host synx.us.to.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 The mail system

<synx@synx.us.to> (expanded fr= om <lists@synx.us.to>): tempo= rary failure.
=A0 =A0Command output: connect: No such file or directory

Final-Recipient: rfc822; synx@synx.us.to
Original-Recipient: rfc822;lis= ts@synx.us.to
Action: failed
Status: 4.3.0
Diagnostic-Code: x-unix; connect: No such file or directory


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=A0Luke Bergen <= lukeabergen@gmail.com>
T= o:=A0lojban-beginners@lojban= .org
Date:=A0Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:11:39 -0400
Subject:=A0[lojban-beginners] Re= : vreta
I see.=A0 So like most things lojban, you can't count on the= "approximate english equivalent" to be at all regular or normal.= =A0 eg. "___ing =3D nu ____" is not always (or even usually) a go= od generalization.

- Luke Bergen


On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Pierre= Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 18:17:28 Minimiscience wrote:
> The problem is that, in English, the present participle of a verb (the= form
> used, among other places, in the progressive form, e.g., "Zoe is = ____ing")
> is the same as the gerund (the form used in a noun phrase correspondin= g to
> Lojban "{nu}").

A few centuries ago, they weren't: the participle ended in "= -ind". In German
they end in "-end" and "-ung".

Pierre






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