From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 18 05:44:31 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ljv8I-000143-RI for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:44:31 -0700 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ljv8G-00013k-2u for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:44:30 -0700 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so13049qwj.58 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:44:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RQwQk4CQCmNNnMcrSLNjcvEefKikjKAHn12MTFMrLGs=; b=eYuefjWs04fWCGZGh7yLaSv4diW/v5XIp4JaSfwbmif8MmHbxvQH6EWMVLe/MUvmYa wqQe8fbaKJ8RL2oxxqP1aL5vyCRbK9zmAZqn9eGaKcGWrKiJ5+UDSkLYIk+RGWbYRE1T Hz1DxmX8eVK7xh1O+qlYP3K8/PFAHipPZ58fw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iflyTtbCJmgzzvJ4ocWO2fT8JZqu20V3o9Ugdaq+AvWml4EbC7Qx6emDG9bihliQof M0QCHaY37UXeULq466VI6A7H0XwNZhSE01DQ3DfKAA4bNRGqTcihlEnC/qkPvTFFrop6 wGl1IUGMaW+M93ejbJS6lqKkBL9dR5Um5v2XE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.98.202 with SMTP id r10mr658040qcn.68.1237380266973; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:44:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:44:26 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560903180544o4d023061u72b410b5bf73bc31@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Preliminary chapter 1 for Lojban learners From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1441 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:33 PM, wrote: > > Not marking the stress imposes a default penultimate stress.  There is no > way to indicate "no stress preference". A cmevla can be pronounced with any stress pattern you like: you can even stress more than one syllable in a cmevla or none at all. Whatever the stress pattern you use, the cmevla is the same cmevla. The same happens with cmavo (except that with cmavo you have to be more careful, because if you stress the last syllable you may also need a pause after it). It is only for brivla that stress is important, for brivla the stress is part of what defines the word. Using a default penultimate stress for cmevla is a sensible rule, same as for cmavo. But it is not obligatory. "PORtugal", "porTUgal", "portuGAL", "PORtuGAL" and "portugal" are all different ways of writing the same word. You won't be pronouncing a different word if you choose a different stress than the one proposed for you. Given the above, my preference is to never indicate a preferred stressed for cmevla, and leave the choice to the reader. mu'o mi'e xorxes