From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 18 18:11:53 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lk6nZ-0007P5-4T for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:11:53 -0700 Received: from imo-m12.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.100] helo=imo-m12.mail.aol.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lk6nW-0007Oo-Ee for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:11:53 -0700 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id d.c68.491b2367 (39330) for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:11:35 EDT Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Preliminary chapter 1 for Lojban learners To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c68.491b2367.36f2f5c7_boundary" X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.7 X-Spam-Score-Int: 7 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1452 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --part1_c68.491b2367.36f2f5c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/2009 08:46:31 Eastern Daylight Time, jjllambias@gmail.com writes: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:33 PM, wrote: > > > > Not marking the stress imposes a default penultimate stress. There is no > > way to indicate "no stress preference". > > A cmevla can be pronounced with any stress pattern you like: you can > even stress more than one syllable in a cmevla or none at all. > Whatever the stress pattern you use, the cmevla is the same cmevla. > The same happens with cmavo (except that with cmavo you have to be > more careful, because if you stress the last syllable you may also > need a pause after it). It is only for brivla that stress is > important, for brivla the stress is part of what defines the word. > But in Red Book section 4.8 (p. 65) it says "Names may have almost any form, but always end in a consonant, and are followed by a pause. They are penultimately stressed, unless unusual stress is marked with capitalization." So the unmarked (i.e, uncapitalized) cmevla does have a default penultimate stress. This probably doesn't matter to a fluent speaker, but to a learner it does (or could). stevo --part1_c68.491b2367.36f2f5c7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message=20= dated 3/18/2009 08:46:31 Eastern Daylight Time, jjllambias@gmail.com writes:


On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:= 33 PM,  <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>
> Not marking the stress imposes a default penultimate stress.  = There is no
> way to indicate "no stress preference".

A cmevla can be pronounced with any stress pattern you like: you can
even stress more than one syllable in a cmevla or none at all.
Whatever the stress pattern you use, the cmevla is the same cmevla.
The same happens with cmavo (except that with cmavo you have to be
more careful, because if you stress the last syllable you may also
need a pause after it). It is only for brivla that stress is
important, for brivla the stress is part of what defines the word.


But in Red Book section 4.8 (p. 65) it says "Names may have almost any f= orm, but always end in a consonant, and are followed by a pause.  They=20= are penultimately stressed, unless unusual stress is marked with capitalizat= ion."

So the unmarked (i.e, uncapitalized) cmevla does have a default penultim= ate stress.  
This probably doesn't matter to a fluent speaker, but to a learner it do= es (or could).

stevo --part1_c68.491b2367.36f2f5c7_boundary--