From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Apr 01 12:27:26 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lp65t-0001gf-Vk for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:27:26 -0700 Received: from mx.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.19] helo=sdf.lonestar.org ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lp65q-0001gP-UD for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:27:25 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n31JRI19010462 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:27:18 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n31JRIIu012137 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:27:18 GMT Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:27:17 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la'e di'u Message-ID: <20090401192716.GA1083@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <5715b9300903312101y8a22955vc5b7bed6e52e9ae6@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20903312243n4089d005nc34ea4edadd6f731@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300904010902o467aa98fv958a70256f3bf49@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60904011037i2b487956h3e250f57765d70e4@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300904011052p6114099bk7cb7c2b51cd89576@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5715b9300904011052p6114099bk7cb7c2b51cd89576@mail.gmail.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1468 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners de'i li 01 pi'e 04 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Luke Bergen .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > I see, so it is grammatical to refer to "se go'i", "te go'i", etc...? .skamyxatra Yes. > so if: "la djan pu tcidu la nicte cadzu" then I could say "mi djica lo nu > mi tcidu la'e se go'i" for "I want to read that too"? "{la'e se go'i}" is incorrect. First, "{la'e}" has to be placed before a {sumti}, e.g., "{la'e lo se go'i}." Secondly, as the x2 of the first sentence already refers to the book itself, there is no reason to use "{la'e}" here. > which brings me to another question, how can you say "la luk bergen"? My > name is made up of two cmene but how do people know that "bergen" falls > under the "la". "{la luk.bergen.}" It falls under the "{la}" because that's the only place it can go; you can't have free-floating {cmevla} in a sentence unless they're part of a larger structure (a {sumti}, a vocative, a "{bu}" {lervla}, or as the delimiter of a ZOI quote). Hence, a sequence of {sumti} preceded by a LA can only comprise a single {sumti}. > If a cmene has two names can the "ku" no longer be elided? According to the Yacc grammar, {cmene sumti} cannot be terminated with "{ku}." However, a "LA + {selbri}" {sumti} can. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- ko jundi mi na.e lo selsku be mi