From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 10 11:32:20 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LsLWV-0002E6-VB for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:32:20 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.220.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LsLWM-0002DE-3j for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:32:18 -0700 Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1083798fxm.34 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:32:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Cwp9fefOincuqUxSYWquP3OwAYZtTRoY1Q3saulQu9I=; b=G2grTH5fbKyF9SkeyWL+VfaWNApguoQykdy8vdhH1s7/wzttFU/1MuL+9Qf7aQBP0S tbYU7CmTRgb58m+YQpuJJ2dHxKmo+8oPxwJHGfTT1E/C8cX/qFMw8LFim8DdhMSeBiyl +ZMeITiwmTGhM+62t292v/h1u8lhzMr+oVixA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kolz253pI9YJqdmitQggGCtp6uh2PZDmH5VY9FARb8SdyhiAGe3jfQ/OXeolbkXsIM NwpQ6cDsr6JlMjbcyOJudtHXWe6IxDhWAqeQrPw/3LJ3eP4i6Cm7FRZW9W8+B0eZxY7A uuWClHlUEM4tGxFwW1vd/0Pf7V95tZY5WdDcg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.181.2 with SMTP id i2mr1985896mup.99.1239388323544; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:32:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090410180615.GA13333@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <4de8c3930904101055m53888421l643e2e9e268898b3@mail.gmail.com> <20090410180615.GA13333@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:32:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4de8c3930904101132j4ec7cfaagcd886a04ed73d4f0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lujvo into fu'ivla From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 2009/4/10 Minimiscience : > de'i li 10 pi'e 04 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. tijlan .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. >> A lujvo for "motorcycle" would most likely be >> >> matryrelxilma'e >> >> But it sometimes sounds too long for me to use around. So, as an >> experiment, I created a fu'ivla out of it: >> >> trxlma'e > ... >> What do you think about it? > .skamyxatra > > It's invalid. As stated in section 4.7 of the CLL, the first rule of {fu'ivla} > requires that, if the consonant cluster is at the beginning of the word, > _every_ pair of adjacent consonants must be a valid initial consonant pair, > which "rx" and "lm" are not. > > mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-archive-position: 1491 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/4/10 Minimiscience : > de'i li 10 pi'e 04 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. tijlan .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. >> A lujvo for "motorcycle" would most likely be >> >>  matryrelxilma'e >> >> But it sometimes sounds too long for me to use around. So, as an >> experiment, I created a fu'ivla out of it: >> >>  trxlma'e > ... >> What do you think about it? > .skamyxatra > > It's invalid.  As stated in section 4.7 of the CLL, the first rule of {fu'ivla} > requires that, if the consonant cluster is at the beginning of the word, > _every_ pair of adjacent consonants must be a valid initial consonant pair, > which "rx" and "lm" are not. > > mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. On the "Exhaustive list of short fu'ivla forms" page, it says "in all cases where CC is allowed non-initially, C/C is also allowed", and it lists this example: CCCCCVV (stsmla'u) So I thought "CC/C/C/CVV" was possible. mu'o mi'e tijlan