From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 10 17:38:26 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LsREo-0007oB-CR for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:38:26 -0700 Received: from web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LsREk-0007nm-Tb for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:38:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 49934 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2009 00:38:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1239410295; bh=PIa1tHUGg3UI8805wtp6ozRmrvlrxTlVkht9Fxvut70=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ib+yi/7GmZ3Wyk1/KYUt7Z8ZROlB8omBtWj+Pjb3fDnVt7wzdo+P1etdnVPumroCdpVIpnxFb4ZZCo9pWbjuL1wksq5KLjYjVQ9nhZgfdco+Y80T/xyyna0M3DwaoSLYEoaAvK8uMwPB7JB/KhmjsTt8I/iu9XBeXHVJ0hYyfGQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OKtUnGGuPyX2XzUP8rooqEXeYWGt9Bx43FRSSQcSBy7zb9KsztKa4ZHhN5EL+Al2wI8aPs6VeO/6jTL2tHXCF4defBQfmV9YrouFfgx2a6sCjVz8TYjJS1gDMLuwTIS40tyt9SR+mE13TzX3LSCipIismzKoaSpizr0PSU+XJno=; Message-ID: <633567.48297.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tVCMnz4VM1m.9_YbCATu2qxQ_6RLCqO2sZ2AUVue5fyXl2OlJYam9kEVsYptef6XYhSw.t61UPMeLcro8Td7tagPNIhfRecaHkRVVdaMSsh152uB_QVe38u2uzEQzVj41DqcVFhWhGlZCbvAft5ki.32b9hmn0kaNZWu0atg.q0nsZzDpw2mYp9RsgeNGW0PBxFlAa9Jh76LEChmmYk6mql8DXZdmE33dNqjiq3dOFYdTuE3AEMXmrmXSCrUVFyxMWL_axAzhIie0KOSxjXeBOfKb6zriY6NU3tL0k0VZmAIJtgqLLYxeY2r6nuRkGRgYBpqtGbYPqw- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:38:15 PDT References: <4de8c3930904101055m53888421l643e2e9e268898b3@mail.gmail.com> <200904101740.01504.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:38:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lujvo into fu'ivla To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <200904101740.01504.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I didn't know you can convert lujvo into fu'ivla. Can you refer me to where that is described? I couldn't find it in CLL. totus ----- Original Message ---- > From: Pierre Abbat > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:40:00 PM > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lujvo into fu'ivla > > On Friday 10 April 2009 13:55:55 tijlan wrote: > > A lujvo for "motorcycle" would most likely be > > > > matryrelxilma'e > > > > But it sometimes sounds too long for me to use around. So, as an > > experiment, I created a fu'ivla out of it: > > > > trxlma'e > > > > The idea is basically to 1) omit the vowels from the seltau(-ish) > > part, 2) remove any impermissible initial consonant pairs or other > > clusters, 3) remove any repeating letters for the sake of simplicity, > > 4) and adapt it to a valid fu'ivla form > > (http://www.lojban.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Exhaustive+list+of+short+fu > >%27ivla+forms) if necessary. My example went like this: > > > > 0) matryrelxilma'e > > 1) mtrrlxlma'e > > 2) trlxlma'e > > 3) trxlma'e > > 4) trxlma'e (no adaptation required) > > > > What do you think about it? > > I suggest "atrilma'e" instead. "trilma'e" is a slinku'i, so "atrilma'e" is > valid. > > Pierre [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-archive-position: 1499 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I didn't know you can convert lujvo into fu'ivla.  Can you refer me to where that is described?  I couldn't find it in CLL. totus ----- Original Message ---- > From: Pierre Abbat > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:40:00 PM > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lujvo into fu'ivla > > On Friday 10 April 2009 13:55:55 tijlan wrote: > > A lujvo for "motorcycle" would most likely be > > > >  matryrelxilma'e > > > > But it sometimes sounds too long for me to use around. So, as an > > experiment, I created a fu'ivla out of it: > > > >  trxlma'e > > > > The idea is basically to 1) omit the vowels from the seltau(-ish) > > part, 2) remove any impermissible initial consonant pairs or other > > clusters, 3) remove any repeating letters for the sake of simplicity, > > 4) and adapt it to a valid fu'ivla form > > (http://www.lojban.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Exhaustive+list+of+short+fu > >%27ivla+forms) if necessary. My example went like this: > > > > 0) matryrelxilma'e > > 1) mtrrlxlma'e > > 2) trlxlma'e > > 3) trxlma'e > > 4) trxlma'e (no adaptation required) > > > > What do you think about it? > > I suggest "atrilma'e" instead. "trilma'e" is a slinku'i, so "atrilma'e" is > valid. > > Pierre