From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 10 18:37:39 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LsSA6-0003rs-WF for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:37:39 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LsSA3-0003rR-Io for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:37:38 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090411013729.VDLN2520.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@chausie> for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:37:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42719348D for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:37:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lujvo into fu'ivla Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:37:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4de8c3930904101055m53888421l643e2e9e268898b3@mail.gmail.com> <200904101740.01504.phma@phma.optus.nu> <633567.48297.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <633567.48297.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200904102137.26026.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Friday 10 April 2009 20:38:15 A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > I didn't know you can convert lujvo into fu'ivla. Can you refer me to > where that is described? I couldn't find it in CLL. It's not described anywhere that I know of, and I don't think it warrants doing unless either the components of the lujvo don't match the meaning at all, or the word is too common for the length of the lujvo, or you're translating an acronym (which implies that in the language the acronym was made in, it was too common for the length of the phrase). Just being short in English isn't enough. Languages vary greatly in the length of the word for particular concepts; for instance, the Greek for the short word "skill" is the heptasyllabic "επιτηδειοτητα". [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-archive-position: 1500 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Friday 10 April 2009 20:38:15 A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > I didn't know you can convert lujvo into fu'ivla.  Can you refer me to > where that is described?  I couldn't find it in CLL. It's not described anywhere that I know of, and I don't think it warrants doing unless either the components of the lujvo don't match the meaning at all, or the word is too common for the length of the lujvo, or you're translating an acronym (which implies that in the language the acronym was made in, it was too common for the length of the phrase). Just being short in English isn't enough. Languages vary greatly in the length of the word for particular concepts; for instance, the Greek for the short word "skill" is the heptasyllabic "επιτηδειοτητα". I've made up "vonpaso" (which is not formed from a lujvo, but it does have nothing to do with the number 419, except as an entry in a Nigerian law book) and a few translations of acronyms which I forget. I don't think that "matryrelxilma'e" warrants shortening like this. It would be useful, though, to distinguish between a motorcycle, a moped, and a motorized bicycle. Pierre