From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Apr 11 07:10:53 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lsdv3-0005Va-Cg for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:10:53 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f163.google.com ([209.85.219.163]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lsdux-0005OL-D9 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:10:52 -0700 Received: by ewy7 with SMTP id 7so1391497ewy.34 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:10:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=y+Yywt5okQNMD7MglEjDEFXU3jkbY5MoT3TF5GiN/A8=; b=FhzX3PDdurlhhIKoQI36mYXNP0AHBva/TInth+jx6SZbThL0JO3DvWoR4y5UYF3DXd oS+WXXI/wkG8N3wUYUXmZnnvCdeg/Q0MUVEj0T/6YkZf1O3mv7tkWr4FViDQs2sEf1g+ YjMchpD/fOSh/TzhWpdDC31oNTpHLx70wheI0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=j2jz6DOVkjhg6Jf/gpaGkJDNzh+wRGw/D17K9Tbmkeu31zX3cTJhXucg8J253Na2F3 GmLu2lLHPhZM0dhg8kqvnuxLJvW+fHrZuC6tqOGofGc8uNBnqYZCu8oYXtS3mw3pTQ5P Y23+mRn5OQ5VSVq00iYQ6SGb1rNC/I5ydeOmM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.29.84 with SMTP id h62mr1110928wea.122.1239459040418; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:10:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560904110656o5307a090y9f0dc613bfdea083@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930904110609y5fba16bfm60010d735c32d277@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560904110656o5307a090y9f0dc613bfdea083@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:10:40 +0200 Message-ID: <4de8c3930904110710g1928dd95u839b5a804ffce37d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: sei & to From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 2009/4/11 Jorge Llambías : > On 4/11/09, tijlan wrote: >> Can "to li'o toi" be part of (within) "sei li'o se'u"? That is: "sei >> li'o to li'o toi se'u". > > The grammar of SEI phrases is: > > SEI [terms [CU]] selbri /SEhU/ > > The selbri is not optional, there has to be a selbri within "sei ... [se'u]" > > "to li'o toi" is grammatical, any valid text can go within "to ... > toi", including the null text, and it can go almost anywhere, so for > example "sei cusku to li'o toi se'u" is grammatical. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-archive-position: 1503 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/4/11 Jorge Llambías : > On 4/11/09, tijlan wrote: >> Can "to li'o toi" be part of (within) "sei li'o se'u"? That is: "sei >> li'o to li'o toi se'u". > > The grammar of SEI phrases is: > >   SEI [terms [CU]] selbri /SEhU/ > > The selbri is not optional, there has to be a selbri within "sei ... [se'u]" > > "to li'o toi" is grammatical, any valid text can go within "to ... > toi", including the null text, and it can go almost anywhere, so for > example "sei cusku to li'o toi se'u" is grammatical. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes ki'e So, I guess "lo broda to be da bei de toi cu brode" is grammatical too? And is this "toi" elidable: "lo broda to be da bei de cu brode"? mu'o mi'e tijlan