From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Apr 11 09:28:07 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lsg3q-0000wG-Cb for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:28:07 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.246]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lsg3k-0000v4-8e for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:28:06 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so1333699and.1 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BxRXKx1bNnPMGZgNLZnQ0RgGS6rQuCzCklVtUkDI1Qs=; b=u5gmQ3a6kjYng7jLoH84CXfqjGanrMI7fTP0BrnMnuLrwPxC5OZSB2YJ1PwDN/7qyx XxE+t5/L/0uAXGux6h1hRs5E4o+tfk9W8ExBxx5/TB5AMGTgr8CAIo6atqVG9HhYg9wU jAPFk04bqxJcqO3eORYFbR98VCLtJofv1zTUU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VHRUSDL9MgkH2TEJR3DWJTHWAfdelrrvLmn0IZMjaZz+9G33tdaZxhkU1/9r93JxKM NhozSP95t54o46sqw3cSYy/Rh8JIlHzZJ6zVfShfBJE87oka0K42Ay0YeexavKrRlWKx MUvJEwrsA+T7gIQ6rbj8PubqWftC4FSaHu4q0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.140.15 with SMTP id n15mr4133487and.105.1239467273531; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:27:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930904110710g1928dd95u839b5a804ffce37d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930904110609y5fba16bfm60010d735c32d277@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560904110656o5307a090y9f0dc613bfdea083@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930904110710g1928dd95u839b5a804ffce37d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:27:53 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560904110927t4d9e3ebbt503efdd0ae0ebf0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: sei & to From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam_score: -1.3 X-Spam_score_int: -12 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 4/11/09, tijlan wrote: > > So, I guess "lo broda to be da bei de toi cu brode" is grammatical > too? Yes, because "be da bei de" is a valid fragment. You can't guarantee that the linked arguments will correspond syntactically to "broda" there, although semantically that is of course the obvious interpretation. [...] Content analysis details: (-1.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 1.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the aX-archive-position: 1505 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 4/11/09, tijlan wrote: > > So, I guess "lo broda to be da bei de toi cu brode" is grammatical > too? Yes, because "be da bei de" is a valid fragment. You can't guarantee that the linked arguments will correspond syntactically to "broda" there, although semantically that is of course the obvious interpretation. > And is this "toi" elidable: "lo broda to be da bei de cu brode"? Yes. Personally, I never elide the three types of terminators that follow a "text", namely TOI, LIhU and TUhU, becuse I find the result confusing. I would even suggest changing the grammar so that those three are made not elidable, but that probably won't happen. mu'o mi'e xorxes