From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Apr 11 15:17:39 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LslW6-00034l-KG for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:17:39 -0700 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LslW3-00032l-1u for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:17:38 -0700 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so1149438yxn.46 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:17:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+j0/c/TlnTZRi4nxSGChJkRvjv2ktLW7iAeTkZt1oOU=; b=Qz1SBNia4h91yeUISTlvCXQ6jsc5yRtAfEHkavpj/eHJEshv99Mb4mjllbDnkHBI/p MJ7YrJByCps/sYmk62sqYoemrLAwHQ6ooPXrvABbF12tPKCTnv68+8El2wk6yE2VMa8T 5b3tJyQRPcN3pMiSinzn3IjxzP9VhQfIlK61o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FCzuspFvQMDGKAX95BM5zxvA8V5rmJv8rNtyH4qB+TpW1lWjrPgdV8gb9GGK/OarS/ L0XURnL6MYl0ef+BLnRZ4paOFkaUamIiMfM4t5QSPQ+05PFgkNAjYZ822FUbj1+pJmed tHK9hbRAqxeHYwgDA/GhowhCo3qo5EC1mhqH0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.20.65 with SMTP id e1mr1220525ibb.1.1239488253900; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:17:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560904110927t4d9e3ebbt503efdd0ae0ebf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930904110609y5fba16bfm60010d735c32d277@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560904110656o5307a090y9f0dc613bfdea083@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930904110710g1928dd95u839b5a804ffce37d@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560904110927t4d9e3ebbt503efdd0ae0ebf0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:17:33 -0400 Message-ID: <425e4ac20904111517wef3a4ebk9f316d72ae3c2673@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: sei & to From: Stela Selckiku To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 2009/4/11 Jorge Llambías : >> And is this "toi" elidable: "lo broda to be da bei de cu brode"? > > Yes. Personally, I never elide the three types of terminators that > follow a "text", namely TOI, LIhU and TUhU, becuse I find the result > confusing. I would even suggest changing the grammar so that those > three are made not elidable, but that probably won't happen. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-archive-position: 1509 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: selckiku@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/4/11 Jorge Llambías : >> And is this "toi" elidable: "lo broda to be da bei de cu brode"? > > Yes. Personally, I never elide the three types of terminators that > follow a "text", namely TOI, LIhU and TUhU, becuse I find the result > confusing. I would even suggest changing the grammar so that those > three are made not elidable, but that probably won't happen. That puts the elided "toi" at the end, after "brode", doesn't it? I've always found elided "toi" at end of text an odd concept, but Timo has been using it very often on la .aidentikar. (identi.ca) and I've gotten used to it and even used it a few times myself. He often writes "to bau la !lojban" (the ! makes it a group name) at the end without a closing "toi". I usually put the closing "toi" -- and redundant parenthesis marks, like "(to bau la !lojban toi)" -- but I've left it off a few times, especially when running out of characters! :) mu'o mi'e selkik