From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Apr 11 15:33:50 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lsllm-0004CJ-Ge for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:33:50 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lsllj-0004Bx-8D for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:33:50 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1149017ywm.46 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:33:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ECOQ/4ErbuzhvgDNAWfs4DIQi6zKRIEZ7YvbiTxtKrQ=; b=lNy6MXnOocjBlT+sJeLld7toFI04ZzxKl13iiln/QbSttv4QtPISWECS1esFtV0UVY d/7Qvdg9GClFRDYW4PsUfTQD0ZJrdW1PTp91+6h3JeP1lNyE+WMH98NY7mdu0Ue1NK4L gtokwbCaRie2XuXYaCbFmWpFOPNxR0VzHy/O4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=amzBKE0AF6bCgpX2KzBOuU0GLznxdNUTRkrzdXs/Vc8ns0Cah/okYz0wlh6I84UnOR f3lcj3wrV+Nqqfx0NkIhPnMeYuzBEE1PPpW8xyg2CXeDUK1m0rcs59TFjjQXXlE/wdzz 9w4weT6nAGxRdIEsCz0JP9i45v9NNtXPNxdVs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.111.11 with SMTP id j11mr5075794anc.34.1239489226243; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:33:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <425e4ac20904111517wef3a4ebk9f316d72ae3c2673@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930904110609y5fba16bfm60010d735c32d277@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560904110656o5307a090y9f0dc613bfdea083@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930904110710g1928dd95u839b5a804ffce37d@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560904110927t4d9e3ebbt503efdd0ae0ebf0@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20904111517wef3a4ebk9f316d72ae3c2673@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:33:46 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560904111533w4196723kb24ce87edbdb6c27@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: sei & to From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 4/11/09, Stela Selckiku wrote: > 2009/4/11 Jorge Llambías : >>> And is this "toi" elidable: "lo broda to be da bei de cu brode"? >> >> Yes. > > That puts the elided "toi" at the end, after "brode", doesn't it? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-archive-position: 1510 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 4/11/09, Stela Selckiku wrote: > 2009/4/11 Jorge Llambías : >>> And is this "toi" elidable: "lo broda to be da bei de cu brode"? >> >> Yes. > > That puts the elided "toi" at the end, after "brode", doesn't it? No, between "de" and "cu", because "be da bei de cu brode" is not a grammatical text. In this case "cu" will force a "toi" before it, like it forces a "ku" and a "be'o": lo broda to be da bei de [be'o] [toi] [ku] cu brode [vau] > I've always found elided "toi" at end of text an odd concept, but Timo > has been using it very often on la .aidentikar. (identi.ca) and I've > gotten used to it and even used it a few times myself. He often > writes "to bau la !lojban" (the ! makes it a group name) at the end > without a closing "toi". I usually put the closing "toi" -- and > redundant parenthesis marks, like "(to bau la !lojban toi)" -- but > I've left it off a few times, especially when running out of > characters! :) It leaves me waiting for something else, but it's not as bad as an elided one in the middle of a text. mu'o mi'e xorxes