From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Apr 12 03:35:20 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lsx20-0003tk-2k for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:35:20 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f163.google.com ([209.85.219.163]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lsx1u-0003t0-KR for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:35:20 -0700 Received: by ewy7 with SMTP id 7so1602393ewy.34 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:35:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MQE58TX025LBygfXRgs5Kuh3uK1bXC8euZDV66rWQOY=; b=uvH+wJhnUzPwdiEZGLtjf1L3JoVdY80QftmbvS1bn2fopp0ORSnI03ADilLhrvH8ZV x0zJjtNmPScnahOiB6l7kbdaWY+cNDUrjJ3YC6oVMjkgmUgOULf6g/P3ajDcSgs2FYgu hZc5XoBYcuuBpy4XfM174WzyKJAikz0sc3dVo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wxN8KO73i3KuQA/nAogMJ4l7xXh/QE6+CySoqILviCX0GpUIMi2tK7omNZSt9jLknm HxUb1NhMi1F8KiZMti21/A4PIm4yuyeQbGMHgUQpnPh0sDqE0oCiQZiQ1DOBvKLTuM/Y BQJKlb8IIGmOxjraj3Zua6nCIrrMmzmDkj3Uk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.26.80 with SMTP id b58mr1277237wea.35.1239532508572; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:35:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200904112121.41579.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <4de8c3930904111015t58fc2f64xbe40ee7ca89e1615@mail.gmail.com> <200904112121.41579.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:35:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4de8c3930904120335g452d23c4k6db681431593da88@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: smani From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 2009/4/12 Pierre Abbat : > On Saturday 11 April 2009 13:15:21 tijlan wrote: >> What is the taxonomical definition of lo smani? Is it: >> >> 1) Primate (an order: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate) >> >> or >> >> 2) Ape/Hominoidea (a superfamily of Primate: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominoids) >> >> or >> >> 3) Great Ape/Hominidae (a family of Hominoidea: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_ape) >> >> or something else? >> >> According to the gimste, "ape" is included. But I'm not too sure >> whether it's the ape in the sense of (2). > > I say it's the haplorhines, including tarsiers, but as a rafsi extend it to > the strepsirhinX-archive-position: 1512 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pascal.akihiko@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/4/12 Pierre Abbat : > On Saturday 11 April 2009 13:15:21 tijlan wrote: >> What is the taxonomical definition of lo smani? Is it: >> >> 1) Primate (an order: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate) >> >> or >> >> 2) Ape/Hominoidea (a superfamily of Primate: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominoids) >> >> or >> >> 3) Great Ape/Hominidae (a family of Hominoidea: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_ape) >> >> or something else? >> >> According to the gimste, "ape" is included. But I'm not too sure >> whether it's the ape in the sense of (2). > > I say it's the haplorhines, including tarsiers, but as a rafsi extend it to > the strepsirhines (norsmani). > > Languages don't all have the same division of primates. In Spanish "mico" > refers to some or all New World monkeys, "macaco" refers to some or all Old > World monkeys, "mono" includes all monkeys and apes, and there is no word > that I know corresponding to "ape". > > Pierre As far as Wikipedia goes, "primate" by far contains more information/sections to discuss and has more corresponding articles in different languages than "simian" or "haplorrhini" does. So, in terms of utility, "primate" seems preferable to the latter two for "smani". mu'o mi'e tijlan