From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Apr 16 17:15:39 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lubk2-0007uO-VC for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:15:39 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.154]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lubjz-0007ta-A5 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:15:38 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so501679ywm.46 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=/SWJlFLvipn144MA4Ea4+DWTy3ANliQ5mvUacv0dkSA=; b=B72Y44TlkmDVmvE7FYOz7rmMzxP1dQWrBuzKtQMx1bvcHNGeVZvVRMshzGRfqiIHpq e3lghsI8mbnuBnFl7hfakCxlD9Ywd3yEF4pBTt5DFFXHGzJIGONDuEQoBC8Ji7JSs2Si i2IkC34znabnegXN2BG0wS6W0XXeJl+oFfRYY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=M6SqV7qnm4ZUmMCejUUuQb1Q6dV3Ri9mkUtuQraAmH5Fz91ix4eVuHdwTkjg+hgVBA RBNeFbW+GnhBtGWHxqshqTJObmP5USzffD/s4/p3ID/xVzbFQ5+gyzLwl3xJeyOPOJb9 Kv/0rZ4H7yilb1nK8dWqqyOe6jKJ2JyrAHBX0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.189.8 with SMTP id m8mr2654799anf.90.1239927334194; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Robert Rhine Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:15:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: negative-opinion text To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e644c76c4d4e180467b514a7 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I agree with the research comment.He stated that the language was constructed using random words borrowed from host languages. I read somewhere that the words were chosen algorithmically from the six languages with the most speakers. Does anyone have any ideas what algorithm(s) were used? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-archive-position: 1536 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rrhine@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0016e644c76c4d4e180467b514a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with the research comment.He stated that the language was constructed using random words borrowed from host languages. I read somewhere that the words were chosen algorithmically from the six languages with the most speakers. Does anyone have any ideas what algorithm(s) were used? Peace, Robbie On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Robert Rhine wrote: > Hi, > Here is a working link > http://chaosnode.net/mar01/di010307.html > > Robbie > (Any lojban spelling suggestions; reasons for the suggested spelling would > be very appreciated) > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:17 PM, wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/16/2009 09:28:55 Eastern Daylight Time, >> lukeabergen@gmail.com writes: >> >> >> Also, while lojban is supposed to be a logical language it is also >> supposed to be a spoken language ninmu is a word that we use often, we could >> just as easily say "fetre'a" (fetsi+remna) so in a way his point is moot >> actually. "fet" could be the femail "prefix" and "nak" the male "prefix" >> when constructing lujvo. Nothing from the lojban way of doing things has to >> change and we have close to the diversity that this guy is talking about. >> fetlan = ewe. >> >> >> >> My concern was that he condemned the whole language based on one minor >> trait. He said nothing about how words *are* formed, about the syntax, or >> attitudinals, or optional kinds of words, or the predicate structures. >> >> And "fetlan" is a cmevla; I might use "fetlanme". >> "fetre'a" for 'woman' and "nakre'a" for 'man' are both legitimate words, >> as are "fetpre" and "nakpre", which I would use for Klingons, for instance, >> (and which include humans and artificial people). >> >> stevo > > > --0016e644c76c4d4e180467b514a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with the research comment.
He stated that the language was cons= tructed using random words borrowed from host languages. I read somewhere t= hat the words were chosen algorithmically from the six languages with the m= ost speakers. Does anyone have any ideas what algorithm(s) were used?

Peace,
Robbie

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Robert Rhine <rrhine@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> Hi,

Here is a working link
<= a href=3D"http://chaosnode.net/mar01/di010307.html" target=3D"_blank">http:= //chaosnode.net/mar01/di010307.html

Robbie
(Any lojban spelling suggestions; reasons for the suggested spelling would = be very appreciated)

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:17 PM, <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:
In a message dated 4/1= 6/2009 09:28:55 Eastern Daylight Time, lukeabergen@gmail.com writes:


Also, while lojban is supposed= to be a logical language it is also supposed to be a spoken language ninmu= is a word that we use often, we could just as easily say "fetre'a= " (fetsi+remna) so in a way his point is moot actually. =A0"fet&q= uot; could be the femail "prefix" and "nak" the male &q= uot;prefix" when constructing lujvo. =A0Nothing from the lojban way of= doing things has to change and we have close to the diversity that this gu= y is talking about. =A0fetlan =3D ewe.


My concern was that he condemned the whole language based on one minor = trait. =A0He said nothing about how words *are* formed, about the syntax, o= r attitudinals, or optional kinds of words, or the predicate structures. = =A0

And "fetlan" is a cmevla; I might use "fetlanme".
"fetre'a" for 'woman' and "nakre'a"= for 'man' are both legitimate words, as are "fetpre" and= "nakpre", which I would use for Klingons, for instance, (and whi= ch include humans and artificial people).

stevo


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