From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun May 03 16:14:15 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 03 May 2009 16:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M0ksw-0000JY-Az for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:14:15 -0700 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.150]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M0kst-0000J8-O7 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:14:14 -0700 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so2515367qwc.58 for ; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:14:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ofLeygyxLXqIObnxJN3WfFqX9Ssd+EhX4Q3ghYPPMAE=; b=tIgVVs1w7lvnVFBF0WHurPUxXTwSjlSvvLU7DPsQFgIHDzbcEfASknoy6QavyFZA9i Zj0d3Hj/UIZjy4sUnqB0D9TacfWw4u/wO41cJsFSm1m6VBB40z3jJNa8R5zpmZzQ4iQa Yt3JyomGEWLCwy7IJh8Z/+CPNIaNA/FW9JThw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=GzUjgRw/kaJpcAnycVKrrLMTAguMh0/9nbLMeWlyHiOzYx4KLgkbOHkSher+idG5X2 2o+LIqmztJsDi2WWIDttGuGJSx3kZJ25byETQW268lo1mXFqmaeV1Vd8/PDJNx+6Xg1e octZAhBl0qLqu0fRwKorsINKUY6zvNM+eGWeo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.89.80 with SMTP id d16mr5137404qam.274.1241392450647; Sun, 03 May 2009 16:14:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930905031114h1c4b6c89qcf7d874b709daf22@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930905031114h1c4b6c89qcf7d874b709daf22@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:14:10 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8f1a4befb0be79ee Message-ID: <12d58c160905031614o4eddbbeepea1630b054f9933b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: vau UI From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb29a0c365c04690a34b0 X-archive-position: 1619 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0015175cb29a0c365c04690a34b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 2:14 PM, tijlan wrote: > In "lo cipni cu siclu lo melbi vau .iu", does the referent of ".iu" > includes "lo cipni"? >From CLL 19:8: > An attitudinal meant to cover a whole sentence can be attached to the > preceding ``.i'', expressed or understood: > > 8.5) [.i] .ia mi viska le blanu zdani > [belief] I see the blue house > I believe I see a blue house. > > or to an explicit ``vau'' placed at the end of a bridi. > So the {.iu} in your example refers to the entire bridi, and not specifically to {lo cipni}; presumably one could love beautiful birdsong without loving birds. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan --0015175cb29a0c365c04690a34b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 2:14 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
In "lo cipni cu siclu lo melbi vau .iu", does the referent of &qu= ot;.iu"
includes "lo cipni"?

From CLL 19:8:

An attitudinal mea= nt to cover a whole sentence can be attached to the preceding ``.i'', expressed or understood:

<= pre>8.5) [.i] .ia mi viska le blanu zdani=
[belief] I see the blue house
I believe I see a blue house.<= br> or to an explicit ``vau'' placed at the end of a bridi.=20

So the {.iu} in your example refers to the entire bridi, and not specif= ically to {lo cipni}; presumably one could love beautiful birdsong without = loving birds.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
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