From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun May 10 21:54:50 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 10 May 2009 21:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M3NXN-0005tU-MZ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:54:50 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f165.google.com ([209.85.219.165]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M3NX8-0005oa-Ns for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:54:49 -0700 Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so3225123ewy.34 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:54:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=McXWnQlQXiKvDApc768xNCTEgZAmhdzqPuu6PLDaUyI=; b=GB7jFKimFvOG2RawqUsypzNqIFVCHhmojr//VtYSfq9cHNasjogF0KL13hUi4/nUjn 6sCKvEWgpmxSa7avKtOHEppdESBeQsQFKp7u/m1lFQqN8mX0uM/EqHnrctUUCavUIidQ Qdd2W+z/4NWRjK4MpCNZ4KPJsKnfB5i6hyKiQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Dwl4NsGS93/dmTYuaRTtYfTjtBL4u7ZW81e/gpgzb8y89peAMUAclv437v7xnZrLuk 81ZCSMHiBlH+Ebp8tIGDz8z+00M3cdncjQplMnGgJXBrUwYJvfe3NwA26RJHAAPs/e3/ I+PPrcwjsPvz7WUzpgcWUJOqd00NMxEaREbts= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.0.81 with SMTP id 59mr3008421wea.77.1242017667655; Sun, 10 May 2009 21:54:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560904161227w188ac7d4yed8abf9da0a3417a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300904161129k5d837e99i4cbdf303c6353d22@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560904161227w188ac7d4yed8abf9da0a3417a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:54:27 -0700 Message-ID: <7f1d42860905102154l1f72e859k540ed514a36b76a1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mabla From: Ryan Leach To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1648 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rsw.leach@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners >From the sounds of things, the only way real cursing will appear in lojban is if people are raised with lojban as their first language and therefore include it in their culture. 2009/4/16 Jorge Llambías : > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>  Is it good lojban to say "mabla cukta" to mean >> some kind of swear word having something to do with "book"?  Or even better >> "malcku"? > > I would interpret it as something like "trashy book". I can't think of > a despective word for books in English, but in Spanish that might be > "librucho". > >> I've been wondering how "cursing" would work in a culture neutral language, >> could it really be as simple as "mabla ____" means "____" as an obscenity? >> (or again, "mal" as a prefix in x number of lujvo). > > For a word to be obscene, it has to deal with some taboo subject. > These are usually about bodily functions, religion, race, sexual > practices, or some such touchy subjects, it will depend on what a > culture considers taboo. Without taboo subjects, it's difficult to > have obscene language. "mabla" is despective, but pretty mild by > itself, so you need some content relating it with something that must > not be talked about in order to get an effective curse. > >> This could make for some very creative cursing, which can be very >> entertaining to hear sometimes.  I don't know why, but the idea of limitless >> creativity when I stub my toe sounds very attractive to me. > > Creative cursing can be fun in any language. It's not limited to Lojban. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > >