From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu May 14 06:36:42 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 14 May 2009 06:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M4b72-0006oG-S4 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 06:36:41 -0700 Received: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M4b6u-0006kK-2M for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 06:36:40 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n4EDaSXX001055 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 13:36:28 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n4EDaSkM028951 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 13:36:28 GMT Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:36:27 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: CCVCCCCV Message-ID: <20090514133625.GA4132@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <4de8c3930905131658t2a349af9w17ba5be09144571f@mail.gmail.com> <20090514003943.GA29600@sdf.lonestar.org> <200905140806.11369.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200905140806.11369.phma@phma.optus.nu> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-archive-position: 1659 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners de'i li 14 pi'e 05 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Pierre Abbat .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > I consider it to be valid if the first CC is an initial consonant pair, the > other CCs are valid consonant pairs, and there is no "n[t|d][c|j|s|z]" in it. .skamyxatra Are you sure that the "nd[jz]|nt[cs]" rule applies to {fu'ivla}? Section 4.7 of the CLL states, after the list of {fu'ivla} restrictions, "Note that consonant triples or larger clusters that are not at the beginning of a fu'ivla can be quite flexible, as long as all consonant pairs are permissible." This seems to imply that {fu'ivla} are exempt from this restriction and may contain "ndj" etc. Has the BPFK said anything on this, or is it left vague? mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- li'a .e'i ca vondei .i mi na'e pu'i kufra loi vondei