From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 18 14:21:18 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 18 May 2009 14:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M6AGq-0005Ql-Rh for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 14:21:18 -0700 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M6AGn-0005Qb-KL for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 14:21:16 -0700 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 13so869980eye.58 for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 14:21:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=odQDG8sF6tCOKlNt5klq5rVvjMGFZ9mM76BBvEPZYPQ=; b=sexIKgp6CR9xbzqrwHYo6waqwaSfdDJqhZZe8yOnZdNCxNIjb/W1PSa5L1YI6ZvZ9V /0vQY1JaDDhZilf58C0Na+40igqyAvbrtXySyeqdbz0PPH+yU1i/6AhUdyn3rdCTJd+m VOREqbXsq1Y+m5eMmvHEJ1TU4wy3n9sG96Bbk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=vmBXm5nUnApZfR2hF15lCbmzHY8DMekgDake4n6dG3BMtc55dPmHgSXnuA2W6/MOm8 MP16+ilYP2sxzVoPhX2/7QP2AmOzSx1/FKjjnAKB2dlwNb7YeOJWYsvarbk95Qc0DLMe w1ycuYYl4tJr0PzYgOEwVRNB9wTkK+xjdo9iw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.49.194 with SMTP id x44mr2303114web.130.1242681672135; Mon, 18 May 2009 14:21:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090518185535.GB2965@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <4de8c3930905150216n6be2a0a2mcf06cab38dbe54d6@mail.gmail.com> <20090515155454.GA28981@sdf.lonestar.org> <925d17560905151012u5cf2f186ob70bd89191609300@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60905180956x3cce8570ud4745419e185ff6a@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930905181137t24eada96n358f05c4375183be@mail.gmail.com> <20090518185535.GB2965@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:21:12 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1068e6c956acddc1 Message-ID: <4de8c3930905181421j78f17ad1m79c133702d19a0d0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: sides From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1687 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/5/18 Minimiscience : > de'i li 18 pi'e 05 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. tijlan .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. >> I think I've seen the use of "pa'a" for "fi'o kansa". > .skamyxatra > > That's not really the same.  "{kansa}" implies companionship or accompaniment > in some activity (which "{pa'a}"/"{panra}" lacks), and the companion need not > be doing the same thing as the subject (which "{pa'a}" does imply). The companion need be sharing at least some activity (going/happening) with the accompanied. If "mi kansa do lo nu klama lo zarci", then "mi panra do sekai lo ka ce'u klama lo zarci", no? mu'o mi'e tijlan