From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 27 08:17:08 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 27 May 2009 08:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9KsN-00068A-LX for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:17:07 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f219.google.com ([209.85.220.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9KsK-00066S-8B for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:17:07 -0700 Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so4291278fxm.34 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:16:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rBbeRqwmg6Mqw16RTPoy0hfB07gsL9+lsWJgRv0+8+8=; b=XsDGzZTxaG24MhK5oDOBGVxadzdplzCXWRihqxqZICavNpnOwa9Y2HlFehcJbpP9xT Ds54fMrkPdfwDrgNVLBpBecCppnYHrV+lD0MKvzvdk0VqTqvJPDYXY6ZGhkGqsfg/Rem gy1Pm6mPIHKaU32Nwxfe4E4xv7JVpHKPY+pvM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=xn10pVKnMJYueADSqLFntjfRO73dq2rp+OfV9DNQOVTzNpirOun+3mDQH2fZfchW9u ew9IXIjvb81iw4EYCvFm6mxJmLzLd0LDi5N+uHzanWk61+p7bmHjlQQmOIlMiFiWsuby 0rxqEVGoI2mjIGxOleuWrbG0W7FeFcL8R5/TE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.248.17 with SMTP id a17mr60203mus.97.1243437417876; Wed, 27 May 2009 08:16:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560905270652r5411eccfm52442cbb2d405b9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930905270015q32fd7327t299c27d2fe200deb@mail.gmail.com> <200905270907.33066.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17560905270652r5411eccfm52442cbb2d405b9b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:16:57 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2d6d7764f36f4593 Message-ID: <4de8c3930905270816v7e9644d7x505af2bbc8e52f48@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: 1 x 2 x 3 cms From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1712 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/5/27 Jorge Llambías : > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> On Wednesday 27 May 2009 03:15:38 tijlan wrote: >>> Is this a valid expression of "1 x 2 x 3 cms": >>> >>>  centre nu'i li pa lo sraji nu'u je li re lo pinta nu'u je li ci lo >>> conda'o [nu'u] >>> >>> Any other suggestions? >> >> That doesn't parse, and I'm not sure how to fix it. > > Add "pe'e" in front of each "je". Termsets are ugly. According to CLL14:11: "Forethought termsets also exist, and use ``nu'i'' of selma'o NUhI to signal the beginning and ``nu'u'' of selma'o NUhU (an elidable terminator) to signal the end. Nothing is inserted between the individual terms: they simply sit side-by-side." So I thought "li pa lo sraji" and "li re lo pinta" and the other could sit side-by-side without "pe'e". The book also gives this example: 11.7) mi klama nu'i ge le zarci le briju nu'u gi le zdani le ckule [nu'u] I go [start termset] both to-the market from-the office [joint] and to-the house from-the school [end termset]. No "pe'e". Or does this have to do with the connective being forethought (whereas "je" in my example is afterthought)? mu'o mi'e tijlan