From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 02 21:33:24 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBiAF-00085C-Q7 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:33:23 -0700 Received: from imr-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.159.7]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBiAB-000845-Qq for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:33:23 -0700 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a25fd06aa; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:33:10 -0400 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id d.cc2.484b77b0 (39955) for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:33:05 -0400 (EDT) From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:33:05 EDT Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Pronunciation: a major problem in spreading lojban To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cc2.484b77b0.37575701_boundary" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-archive-position: 1747 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --part1_cc2.484b77b0.37575701_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/2/2009 14:02:53 Eastern Daylight Time, ivo.doko@gmail.com writes: > I don't know whether [r] is voiced or unvoiced, but I probably rushed > it a bit when I said "at the same time". The schwa comes before the > [r] in the consonant clusters. It's easy to notice the presence of > schwa before [r] if you compare the pronunciation of various Croatian > words. Here's a very neat example: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Republika_Hrvatska.ogg > Note the pronunciation of the first [r] in "Republika" and of the > consonant cluster "hrv" in "Hrvatska" - it's very easy to hear a schwa > in-between [h] and [r] there. > I think you are mishearing the vocalic quality of non-consonantal [r]. I have no trouble pronouncing or hearing vocalic [r], and there's no schwa in the sound. stevo --part1_cc2.484b77b0.37575701_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a messag= e dated 6/2/2009 14:02:53 Eastern Daylight Time, ivo.doko@gmail.com writes= :


I don't know whether [r= ] is voiced or unvoiced, but I probably rushed
it a bit when I said "at the same time". The schwa comes before the
[r] in the consonant clusters. It's easy to notice the presence of
schwa before [r] if you compare the pronunciation of various Croatian
words. Here's a very neat example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Republika_Hrvatska.ogg
Note the pronunciation of the first [r] in "Republika" and of the
consonant cluster "hrv" in "Hrvatska" - it's very easy to hear a schwa
in-between [h] and [r] there.


I think you are mishearing the vocalic quality of non-consonantal [r].=  I have no trouble pronouncing or hearing vocalic [r], and there's= no schwa in the sound.

stevo --part1_cc2.484b77b0.37575701_boundary--