From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 03 08:38:38 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBsY0-0001Zd-Q7 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:38:37 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com ([209.85.218.223]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBsXv-0001Z0-FW for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:38:36 -0700 Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so62884bwz.34 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:38:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lLv+JNtVdrXvTCw6SlhLzRKkQW51cg3rOz9JxaYa9Mg=; b=n+RZljXT9R4fV5QVOZwJKZ8aA+2eZmvITbiiMEUVB6+HgGwvnS154TzvrIpiroNSA4 UJGRc76SlGrH1lkepnI5sq/lumOKytmeFler8RwxW8e/gwtnYd66ifwn0qbe/SZ88ZgG 85fmvOsg35D7YouMmjS3zozxXv4O6ozIsw2f0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=X1EdmOmgxMHsnDdcgGGUo/sM0AMbXqGYtV52KxAZ9bbRHfdUBtLIga21fAYpe+xywv tI2pOHQ/g2QPR2VAOVgQf28sKV1J62n2EAS6LTdb/EhzQ7y41d7ilcxeFDnqWT+IQVuG lFMldILo3nXewYWDU+lFuZ1zgSeN38SBYXPKs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.223.2 with SMTP id a2mr726847mur.4.1244043504234; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:38:24 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bfa68e66c1ff8954 Message-ID: <4de8c3930906030838l589a6c78nc09084ec44853d6a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] inversive linking From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1753 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I sometimes think it would have been convenient if linking/associating sumtis in an inverted way (left to right) were possible. I have in mind a construct exemplified by these English and Japanese phrases: Ken's child's apple rolls. Ken no kodomo no ringo ga korogaru. Retaining the word order, we may translate this as: lo lo la .ken. verba ku plise cu gunro ... which is somewhat counterintuitive. Wouldn't it be cool if we could do the following ("pe'ei" being an experimental, inversive version of "pe"): la .ken. pe'ei lo verba pe'ei lo plise cu gunro mu'o se ckire spuda mi'e tijlan