From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jun 04 07:26:35 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCDtq-0001Gt-Ib for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:26:35 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCDtm-0001Gg-UE for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:26:34 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2550885ywm.46 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:26:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bIrVTht+WpP0ZvWZuYNizgK0ko0r2mCia95MUP5tSpA=; b=PB9pT50N4cqu0uy+qVwBTVx5158jnJeQ3DE9jyI3/6nxHf2plf+wx7jZ3OTiqZEOkD 9SsPVQlgIDdhFlVGPen1VZzIYVcBri6U84BGvh0WG2PiV1G2lMOWEm1p/86CB8QIflyj ELgSQ9PeVGOooxpLk9f+4MYn4InB2e8Y7XQZ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eKj5k0NFhFYXtx57r2w6J2OVwE3PaNEofvkGWQgdaGcyXk/ERKnVD97Aifzn6DoMaD WfNc70R5UkRrQ7JN/3ueyCWB+qFG/i40CoHv3g0rKTKkob1PNGbzbwPkkzWtRmytb/Ha Qv8mgGFzF12XNAY3Z6M4EcXpRbkk5QZMggrZw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.117.13 with SMTP id p13mr1931184agc.26.1244125589791; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:26:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <96f789a60906040640q6a9d21c7rc2ec597d190576ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930905311309u20c6e72xffaa964ae140d208@mail.gmail.com> <20090531202510.GA13449@sdf.lonestar.org> <4de8c3930905311402s14e9d50y3b35466d51b4f25f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560906010539m2be6b21dg6008b8865668a909@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60906040640q6a9d21c7rc2ec597d190576ac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:26:29 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560906040726u73c448fey6bb5c1379f88b53f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: broda moi From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1767 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: >> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:02 PM, tijlan wrote: >>>I suppose "da me lo broda moi" or "lo me lo broda moi cu brode" is >>>valid. > > (!! First I'm hearing of this. I think you have seen it before, although perhaps only with pronouns, "me mi moi", "me do moi". I'm quite sure I have used it in things you have read. > What would be the approximate English > translation of one or both of the lojbanic setences? I would translate them as: da me lo broda moi "Something is broda's." lo me lo broda moi cu brode "The broda's is/are brode." > Is this > construct in the CLL?  If so, where?) Ch 18. Sect 11: << It is perfectly possible to use non-numerical sumti after ``me'' and before a member of MOI, producing strange results indeed: 11.15) le nu mi nolraitru cu me le'e snime bolci be vi la xel. cu'o The event-of me being-a-nobly-superlative-ruler has-the-stereotypical snow type-of-ball at Hell probability. I have a snowball's chance in Hell of being king. >> The use of "me (sumti) moi" to mean "x1 is (sumti)'s" is not mentioned in CLL however, it is a latter innovation. mu'o mi'e xorxes