From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Jun 04 10:18:35 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCGaI-00031W-W9 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:18:35 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCGaE-00030h-IM for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:18:34 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so2859336ywm.46 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:18:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=f75oFdeKbg3x1YjyUXaSK4+4ckeikR9iDiUw7Z5tOpc=; b=OdM+njKrMxfJy1yB04v3UAd93/YUco1ua1ELrySd590o+lVWh7S7pCOoT9zNWkt6QE 0Nwob+lENgvz6pPZdcblljVJ9aWvjCm32kPjFgeyLT1MprQGK634XgX5VIHJ4R/SQCDx wE3cwYInlyC9JLvUQcOSYi2hRAn0g2s6U08eM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sa92dV7cH0p2Z8mN0KN5Hs5b3wYNiZBGp7EV9RX63NyW4Oj7ML30HOGSEtB7GPGZhK nHJZsHKdXFbp7Zb8TumZ0Dhadt94ya3zPz/z/URMypA234tZbC4I+Ztfdzi4h1MjrxjR 8LNYbg1UZ/1UecFy5/DHM75P6h032GzUaeeSQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.172.16 with SMTP id u16mr2841147ane.85.1244135909288; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:18:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <96f789a60906040844y4ea89084nfb6ccd7137763b63@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930905311309u20c6e72xffaa964ae140d208@mail.gmail.com> <20090531202510.GA13449@sdf.lonestar.org> <4de8c3930905311402s14e9d50y3b35466d51b4f25f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560906010539m2be6b21dg6008b8865668a909@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60906040640q6a9d21c7rc2ec597d190576ac@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560906040726u73c448fey6bb5c1379f88b53f@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60906040844y4ea89084nfb6ccd7137763b63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:18:29 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560906041018j6f747d0eq944061493adfd764@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: broda moi From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1773 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > >  Do  you find any particular need/aesthetic value in using this > construct rather than a NOI or GOI (or in the case of selbri use, > ponse, srana, ckini, steci and the like)? Those have their uses too, but none of them quite corresponds to "x1 is (sumti)'s x2 by relationship/rule x3" > It seems like a very odd > thing to me to take something with no "numerosity" associated with it, > and combine it with a cardinality aspect. "moi" is ordinality, not cardinality. "me (sumti) mei" would be harder to interpret, because there the object would indeed have to relate to some numerosity. But for ordinals it's easier. The nth object from a set of objects is the object that corresponds to number n in some ordering of the objects. Similarly, my object among a set of objects is the object that corresponds to me by some rule, yours is the one that corresponds to you, and so on. mu'o mi'e xorxes