From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 07 06:05:24 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MDI3v-0006YE-P7 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:05:24 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com ([209.85.218.223]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MDI3p-0006XY-Lg for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:05:23 -0700 Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so2100042bwz.34 for ; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:05:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gZ/9nVdHvl6a8ZLDgQHwl/uB24XLqbM0HNMVxJGHlWk=; b=X0XzKPsWZa6o0VkVWJwaSaQsfgTJMBg/UQgiFtWxSKwODqAT9M8aUosZJvfjyDvoNJ y8t1tuyv2bmMyewXqPEYTWSDuH83f8Fg5z4adrdPx3sbDxKw/IQKbYvPLJa3wP3QvJEF g1/kxOERpOKfy8nvWLTuM71RCfbDS9f0BcYV8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ezp90oeCEYTNCa0/TxRunMMNlKdQQEA/QN3D20B/Iw4YjlaRTfBKePMw+1BPSZwmkp 1fJcZ1y7qvQOAUCifbcsUHYfLUSVe2JKsOP7rCCRVsc5pCr1ssu/822QPcZRXmNdmPcc qS4KWnj7JyAbGJUmzBa2yHBodsL6LlCPWrW7Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.115.193 with SMTP id j1mr3081132faq.98.1244379910967; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:05:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200906070734.17276.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <4de8c3930906070306x4205c8f8h914dea8bf119e08e@mail.gmail.com> <200906070734.17276.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:05:10 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5cf1a152b9900e88 Message-ID: <4de8c3930906070605l293d14bhe8e76bf3834f665c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: rapidez From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1787 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/6/7 Pierre Abbat : > On Sunday 07 June 2009 06:06:36 tijlan wrote: >> Would it be useful if there were a gismu for "speed", for "ni sutra ju'e >> masno"? > > What's wrong with "nilsutra"? There doesn't have to be a gismu for everything. Why not "nilmasno", then? Because it points to a certain polarity. And so does "nilsutra". True, in some languages, the word for "speed" is lexically related to the word for "fast" (like the Spanish "rapidez" and "r¨¢pido", or the Japanese "ËÙ¶È" and "ËÙ¤¤"); but this is not a universal tendency. Lojban cares for cultural neutrality, so the polarity-specific "nilsutra" may be questionable. Also, if we had a gismu for the neutral sense of "speed", we could have derived two lujvo for "fast" and "slow" (i.e. "bu'a zei zmadu" and "bu'a zei mleca"). Make one get two free. mu'o mi'e tijlan