From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 09 21:42:05 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MEFdU-0007Ef-VY for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:42:05 -0700 Received: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MEFdR-0007EO-AS for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:42:04 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5A4fu0O009917 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:41:56 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n5A4fuHd028787 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:41:56 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:41:56 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo za'u jo'u zo me'i Message-ID: <20090610044147.GA10733@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org References: <4de8c3930906080850i28870a74r5d71a40d4d030924@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560906081007q4521505ds28e5a9a5f379c4e6@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930906091424n7803df0ay84ef17a85de13449@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560906091827p12a6ed31q5fba406df1991e6d@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300906092121u5b8718eeid04021a756f6a35a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5715b9300906092121u5b8718eeid04021a756f6a35a@mail.gmail.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-archive-position: 1801 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners de'i li 10 pi'e 06 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Luke Bergen .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > Is that true xorxes? I thought that jV was for tanru logical connectives > while V alone was for sumti connections. .skamyxatra That's the way that the grammar is currently defined, but, *in theory*, if you were to combine the two {selma'o} into one, it would not create any grammatical ambiguities. However, this technically only holds true when considering more advanced parser programs; if you were to parse this new grammar using the "classical" (to put it nicely) Yacc -- which the official grammar & parser happen to rely on -- you would run into the same restriction described by the CLL (due to the Yacc dependence) that applies when using non-logical connectives on descriptor {sumti}, i.e., a construct of the form "{lo broda [ku] joi lo brode}" cannot elide the "{ku}" after "{lo broda}" without upsetting legacy parsers. Whether or not Lojban grammar should be held back by nearly forty year-old computer programs has, as far as I know, not been conclusively decided upon by the BPFK. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- le do cizra notci cu kairgau mi lo nalselcme kamte'a