From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 10 06:14:44 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MENdc-00078O-9g for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:14:44 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f212.google.com ([209.85.220.212]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MENdZ-00077w-Fh for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:14:44 -0700 Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so234919fxm.34 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:14:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xF3IEO9/la1s7gX3rNHZ/LdHn7wOXsJ+tIGbFwefXhk=; b=rtwDrdwqVDKlWCWsLlGKibRntQ/YS4UeN+uSabAzXOpkE3RLqFCswWot6+pJNRlk0c palOTOuM4C/RPaQoq2nvt/euu6qxl2krznQI4sJ7e90DtcXe3RmqHQPwEu6EdDDu4Wyi zA0wIr5hrDAQnUsrGBkAlGegnhJdAJySs1png= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=AXjnCfU9erKiF5BfDBvA1hNI8BKqHqfiR1vUEYuBPr8de+sjSkfSuAD4uVMso7r0dc aB1D1NQHV/s+BEt4KI5XCzr2quDWzYMl7AoNd+77qu7euqlKR4lYyETxiC5awzoNNrPB HZAnltBiYXYha1/F91WhgzEiy50xTnPBt2utc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.212.2 with SMTP id o2mr697717muq.18.1244639675046; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:14:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <822446.33304.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <822446.33304.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:14:35 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3d889cb89041ba16 Message-ID: <4de8c3930906100614m58e96579i31517e53c8b94510@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Seizing my life From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1806 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/6/10 Tom Gysel : > so, i rewrite to: > do darxi fi ny. ja'e le nu ny. cu jinsa > > And if I write: > do darxi fi ny. ja'e le nu jinsa > can people think it is 'do' that is clean? or do they know its 'le ny.' ? ('le ny.' is not a valid sumti.) It might be a little slippery because another 'nu' follows in the same sentence i.e. 'le nu jinsa'. Changing it to 'ny.jy.' wouldn't make a difference either, because both 'nu jmive' and 'nu jinsa' are 'ny.jy.'. Why not 'ra'? The x3 of 'darxi' sounds more like an instrument; you hit the rocks with it ('my life') and it's still in your hands. But the original poem doesn't sound like that; you throw it onto the rocks and it leaves your hands. So 'renro' seems more apt. With 'renro' you can also leave out 'fi'. mu'o mi'e tijlan