From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jun 12 07:37:11 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MF7sV-0006Y6-5u for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:37:11 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com ([209.85.217.207]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MF7sN-0006XD-Qp for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:37:10 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so9425506gxk.10 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:36:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lDk38j7Kfzeq0fsOHrlZGhLbuMLsJ71HrUabYfRuLoU=; b=SzsazsunxRGm2bJAeLO2V2HzPTC/zQWMOQx2zDexYi/lrSVn4jBJGiPpHRsLvyQ3Ba pNtgOP0Psaz98u/w6DByCY9UELPpG7w4OiF1icgti9ATdUY3T28mFfzuZ020XfB+u7Rg qyjnYpBz2XPnZ0dDVX4c/NMijm6ru90qPSzZI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=q8Nqk0+j+C01sHv8CsKqzIwWP3xlLFOx4Z5Txq0HrV5A6vMPI4iPUQzbMWIoqijp4i 9r3ThFfEQ7npdmUVPKl0bzaYmpx5Q2cDJtTNPcQL1jSd3kWM1P5CoKTWoxu+mUq1YsVA +qkjKHzNhGAkM0qAkB4duLL0llWLg7U0Q0y9U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.45.1 with SMTP id x1mr7559571ybj.344.1244817415194; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:36:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560906100552w6c054a98j527647ccbe22fa13@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930906080850i28870a74r5d71a40d4d030924@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560906081007q4521505ds28e5a9a5f379c4e6@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930906091424n7803df0ay84ef17a85de13449@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560906091827p12a6ed31q5fba406df1991e6d@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300906092121u5b8718eeid04021a756f6a35a@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930906100103y3e2a30efo9b02067d522f74b3@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560906100552w6c054a98j527647ccbe22fa13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:36:55 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60906120736y41064cb9s8fadb7b79730af47@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo za'u jo'u zo me'i From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1829 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 2009/6/10 Jorge Llambías : > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:03 AM, tijlan wrote: >> >> JA can connect tags too. "mi pu je ca klaku" and "mi bai ja mu'i seju >> ca'a je ri'a farlu" are grammatical. But not "mi pu ku je ca klaku", >> maybe because "pu ku" implies a sumti, which cannot be connected by >> JA. I'm not sure, however, since jbofi'e doesn't allow "mi pu ku .a ca >> ku klaku" either. > > Right, because "pu ku" is not a sumti, it's a term. A sumti is a term, > but not all terms are sumti. In addition to sumti, other kinds of > terms are "FA sumti", "tag sumti", "tag KU" and "NA KU",  The > connective for terms (and termsets) is "pe'e je", so "mi pu ku pe'e ja > ca ku klaku" should work. > Really! I didn't know pe'e had uses outside of per se termsets. Neither chapter 20 nor chapter 14 mentions it. So I could say "mi ta'e tavla fi la lojban pe'e ja fo la lojban" and "mi pu sisku tu'a do bu'u le ckule pe'e jenai ti'u li pavo pi'e no" ? Neat. (Still can't say "mi ta'e tavla fi ??? fo la lojban", though). --gejyspa