From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jun 12 08:02:41 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MF8HB-0008F3-6d for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:02:41 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com ([209.85.217.207]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MF8H3-0008Bf-7y for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:02:40 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so9487902gxk.10 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:02:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ti1mV0vn/+Pe7HKq1CXwd5iLJeUmxhNH5at47SRuo7s=; b=m5aC5TVfRw4CYcgw1Igsgg2aD8zR2WNkdsBo6XMLOGB5BK6/A7zikv73lYYFsIicN4 ITj/AAvJNrWqdLyC+R4KHIAh0FGN0It3lE9wXHtcM3S4EGy3JyJfvgHHnm/RCk1SG7qR 7ov15eENkP4YjvTI1Q1AaPUJywubFiO5EGKFk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=brP/KYxoO0t0QJ8S9lbrnguN2OszLcF9NDVHB+6QMfZ84YeIRIZkqImUONpl5plSVf s/QmVohkbaph7kVqcqwLoBeQgh+gxjfYB4eTsZ2wtEb/dJu0VBmjMxryqMnGkC1Dfq1H 8uom26tJcgtOM2Mz6Ww/Aq+NNZGb3pTq7sgR8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.95.4 with SMTP id s4mr7732723ybb.47.1244818947019; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:02:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930906090431n7b0a23a2q3d7cbd3997bdcc0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <90505.31236.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4de8c3930906090431n7b0a23a2q3d7cbd3997bdcc0e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:02:26 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60906120802t375b4db1o3a4c34e89cfdd477@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Seizing my life From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1830 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 7:31 AM, tijlan wrote: > 2009/6/9 Tom Gysel : >> "Seizing my life in your hands, >> you trashed it clean on the >> savage rocks of Eternal Mind." >> >> A piece of a poem, which I translated as: >> >> do noi jgari le mi jmive le do xance >> pu darxi fi jy. ja'e jy. cu jinsa >> fe le cilce rokci po'e le cimni menli >> >> 1.Is my translation grammatically correct? >> 2.Do I need 'ku'o' at the end of 'noi...'? Or does the 'pu' close off >> everything ? > > According to jbofi'e, "pu" is part of the noi clause, not of "darxi". > So, yes, you need "ku'o" (or "cu" alternatively). > No it's not, and you don't need it. What is causing the problem is, as tiljan says below, the need to abstract jy cu jinsa. > You need to turn "jy. cu jinsa" into an abstraction sumti ("le nu > ...") for it to be part of the tag "ja'e". You would also need the > terminator "kei" after the abstraction, to separate it from the > following "fe le cilce rokci". > > Here's my take: > > fau le nu kavbu lo mi nunji'e le do xance kei > do vimri'a ny. sei curve fa'a le > cilce rokci ne le cimni menli > jbofi'e doesn't like it with the embedded "sei curve" (even terminated with se'u), although I don't know why. And speaking of issues with jbofi'e: since we know there are issues with jbofi'e (sumti place tag counting, for example), is Richard Curnow and/or Raphael Poss still involved with lojban and/or responsive to fixes to the program? --gejyspa