From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 17 10:48:04 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MGzEx-0007yc-Uv for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:48:04 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MGzEt-0007y6-8a for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:48:03 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1496798ywm.46 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:47:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Otseo29yTIDDOrsk1vwlEgY1zh2w5EXllegmBS0Mx4k=; b=Qz+Jai42CppiC87hxklM7NPNBcK9zoXb6anUhAMAcXnlHZiTocNgD8F36X02FihaQn +sG3RemkFB7cp7Sjg4qysdXgqOhYEE5tL0Wm5xLtqX2Qo5h3QEeMLyval+rBQ/wI2/fJ Zmjm7MJLIZm1WJ31itCDfimE8UDNoYc/faeZ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LLQVMiBervNhIkWR/ARvCFrrqqDbv0g35xXIhG8wdM6KgHhqLptMfcp3oR8KegIVBk QRIC16AjhgNZXTKACudRbSP7mLhk7GjbN1r6tZo4a0s6B9fH0G/JDppTsezlRisw2G3u d7/WtTEu+d5W5+WdoS3pqkIu72E884HmCoIBc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.182.11 with SMTP id e11mr1617249ybf.327.1245260877910; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:47:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930906150255r7f725a1bp168e26c57e0e4375@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930906111536u2b04041eqd107c1e6ec0df279@mail.gmail.com> <20090611232213.GA3369@sdf.lonestar.org> <925d17560906111829p3812c6d5j1a4b21c55e249fb8@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930906120119p89d78d3se80270d7dd30f1e2@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560906120533m36e8e51ema7a1851da6053e78@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930906121443jefa57baocb7d0997687f8cd9@mail.gmail.com> <20090612220305.GA28421@sdf.lonestar.org> <4de8c3930906150255r7f725a1bp168e26c57e0e4375@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:47:57 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60906171047x48e84b0etda9f7ddcbf6661aa@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: another oddity pe la jbofi'e From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1845 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:55 AM, tijlan wrote: > What is the correct place number of "da" in "broda da fe de"? > According to jbofi'e, it's x3. But I think it's x2. > It's x3. jbofi'e is wrong. This thread is interesting, though, because just yesterday, I was asking in #lojban why jbofi'e wouldn't accept "mi mitre li re to gutci li xapimuxa toi"* without a lo'o after re. I guess I should have read this thread first, because it would have explained it. *Okay, the actual sentence which had brought it to my attention was the following from a letter I was writing: ".i .i'u mi kulmu'o la.uupis. lo samske de'i li pasobibi [lo'o] to co'a lo nu mi velcu'e kei mi me la'e li pasobivo klesi .iku'i fau lo nungu'a jo'u nuncli pu'u velcu'e kei kuce'o lo nu mi pare'u fliba la'o .uupis. IQP .uupis. joi la'o .uupis MQP .uupis. kei lo nu go'i cu co'e to ku'i mi traji snada le remei lo remoi toi toi " But I thought it better not to complicate things, so I traced down the actual part that was causing jbofi'e to throw up, and just ask it on the basic structure. --gejyspa