From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 22 12:33:04 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MIpGK-0004Vh-FP for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:33:04 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com ([209.85.218.223]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MIpGF-0004V6-VO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:33:03 -0700 Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so3042640bwz.34 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:32:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=snE4Q6r2ZFt8STeh5EIQTbpX5hipXp6KeJ1L2kvuMek=; b=p3hORJZ1WP5u4rz0b81PnzRXXFOCC2cpeUtQluPcZth/2/EJONcen4/u9dNrMFrPYJ sWEjgofPTevKsQQLS83dT3B6ypcItVx237Vh92EWEVfRPPcSGrl70PC+XGiGp9y92Y4p mkZGh1V8/1y6r/38Xy24aAFgPDifPTyOiLS7M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=tYNv3qBiJebEHAM2KKSyB8RDLVEDDsEYWClN9WwPtCQaz+rpy8YS3GRzOIMvVbDRF6 WYRTUPMXM2hBLZHboAHq95HeCd4PnikPzYIvsaJjgTQe6xkQ1K8JucJPXsgUpBFdD8Ur dl5MGgJ79OXbAsNJyBT9DqrpphH/AorFB6xBg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.0.83 with SMTP id 61mr2283586wea.170.1245699173116; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:32:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:32:53 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8c6b93b40fc3960b Message-ID: <12d58c160906221232t2a57fb61s489fad425a0f8c1d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Dictionary output From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646b992b5f4d6046cf4f07f X-archive-position: 1866 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --00163646b992b5f4d6046cf4f07f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Johan Pretorius wrote: > coi roi do > > zoi > > Apologies, my Lojban sucks too much to ask questions in it just yet, I'm > working on it... > > I've been using the dictionary server at port 2628 of www.lojban.org to > look up various words - and I've come across something I don't understand. > I thought that a given brivla would always have its sumti numbered with the > same symbol, such as > >> x1 comes/goes to destination x2 from origin x3 via route x4 using >> means/vehicle x5. >> > > However, look at the output I got for li'avro: > > ... >> Definition: v1 is an exit out of c2. >> ... >> > > What bothers me is that it's apparantly using two different symbols for the > same selbri... am I missing something obvious here? It's not obvious. {li'avro} is a lujvo formed from {cliva} and {vorme}. So the definition is saying that the x1 of {li'avro} is the x1 of {vorme}, & the x2 of {li'avro} is the x2 of {cliva}. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan --00163646b992b5f4d6046cf4f07f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Johan Pretorius= <pretoriusjf= @gmail.com> wrote:
coi roi do

zoi

Apologies, my Lojban sucks too much to ask que= stions in it just yet, I'm working on it...

I've been using = the dictionary server at port 2628 of www.lojban.org to look up various words - and I've c= ome across something I don't understand.=C2=A0 I thought that a given b= rivla would always have its sumti numbered with the same symbol, such as
x1 comes/goes to = destination x2 from origin x3 via route x4 using means/vehicle x5.

However, look at the output I got for li'avro:

...
Definition: v1 is an ex= it out of c2.
...

What bothers me is that it's apparantly using t= wo different symbols for the same selbri... am I missing something obvious = here?

It's not obvious. {li'avro} is a lujvo f= ormed from {cliva} and {vorme}. So the definition is saying that the x1 of = {li'avro} is the x1 of {vorme}, & the x2 of {li'avro} is the x2= of {cliva}.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan

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