From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jul 03 17:21:02 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MMt01-0001aL-Sv for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:21:02 -0700 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MMszz-0001Zz-1o for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:21:01 -0700 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 13so711207eye.46 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:20:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6FrkcD248dbY/CvkkzUcYTzBnOYNThAZ6pMQDBZSk3A=; b=nFdMLWCtFSCg9NoDvOxlnbgVt/x22FTX58FEpymGxVDf+StOaRObN2xSRmojhrFkDg qU4r56hzVCBfaD3njkN0oPNYULOXgsZ9dKwyGXpqp9Z+1XNNDxM08TrsBtU3EsPfs3+d ItNxCYGPiHra0vlVM+pHEwm8nm7y4qlIsGTag= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=gJiSnGmIHgRLaLaOJgCPYUruKUhGVLq/pqnX9vD4iWKsCUIZuolv90VyXRX4GHVNQ+ sAa4epJm2eU4XSn0YYwQy8LVu1JYKDWaqDuCRCLdU0t8Vsfx7rCE5YkXYo2CCoDMjeUw 8tpLmpwvSM2jielyVFdu13VsnAO5NhtHmqj64= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.61.8 with SMTP id j8mr1864354eba.25.1246666857479; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:20:57 -0500 Message-ID: <737b61f30907031720j571349edw6f0d49810130a2b9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] cibyseltuple From: Chris Capel To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1930 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I'm back to doing lojban some. I'm reading through Alice again using Lojgloss. Hopefully by the time I'm done all the bugs will be worked out. :) I'm wondering about the lujvo "cibyseltuple". A "seltuple" would be something with a leg. So "cibyseltuple" would be "three somethings with legs", right? Or are we taking advantage of the ambiguity inherent in tanru to select the more sensible meaning here? If it's the latter, that means there's probably no good way to programatically gloss this lujvo well, as the "cib" applies to the "tuple" part, while the "fa" place is assigned the "seltuple" part. Which is more mixed up than any generic algorithm could unmix. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)