From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jul 26 16:51:43 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVDVH-0006Ai-GR for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:51:43 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVDVE-00069N-75 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:51:43 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090726235133753.GTQO29458@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:51:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1EF260C for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:51:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: zbasu, finti, and cupra Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:51:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <5715b9300907261631t78611980ja39d24232e297906@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5715b9300907261631t78611980ja39d24232e297906@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200907261951.29568.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 1952 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sunday 26 July 2009 19:31:59 Luke Bergen wrote: > I was working on learning the gismu when I found {cupra} which is defined > as: > cupra pra produce x1 produces > x2 [product] by process > x3 8f 22 (cf. > zbasu, farvi, gundi, jukpa) > > Now, how does this differ from {finti} and {zbasu}? x4 of {finti} could be the same as x3 of {zbasu}, but neither corresponds to anything in cupra. So one could possibly cupra something without a raw material. mu'a le cevni cu cupra le munje le nu finti lo gusni ku ce'o lo sudga tumla ku ce'o zo'e {finti} implies that the se finti belongs to a class that didn't exist before (or at least that the inventor didn't know about; I invented the asteraceous pattern of points, even though someone else invented it before me). If you've been making sausage for years by the same process, do zbasu jenai finti .i ko na ke'urfinti le xislu mu'omi'e .pier.