From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 28 10:17:41 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVqJ3-0008MJ-E6 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:17:41 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f220.google.com ([209.85.217.220]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVqIx-0008Lj-RD for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:17:41 -0700 Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so462026gxk.10 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:17:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=67XEZr35xIZScin2TFEWQX/AT0CQBOL9QDBSS59h67Y=; b=ZETqnH5WvyRq0GRpsGflrlZ8C/A2gvfSYGCloyuuVhEUsGl9Kfnk9QbPVSz8gdHCFQ uAlqxrjonDXD6t0B5gy9H4ekwXzocC9MTqqrVOtUHLPSnaUsmO3vdIJKBKpqMDB49xG0 Dh+JiyhHMYutfT0Rx0xxYnDMBJD/HZ+O1VKsM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ILAELPsVan43edOdZl1xyuRAfV4vXkudoNnVfTG/DZSZddOukDI0dn5h5yiZ0hDczA Cnz39bNo9rhsHlzYvXD7J7bRY1+Pz5cUSmOH+tWFJZnmZjI+d1OhqRUW7hn30KK1y6V3 ScgV+wc4RI5Zc4QSWbmcw7RXkNOE9YA33PjeI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.87.5 with SMTP id k5mr4977683agb.46.1248801448460; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:17:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300907280826h74c2d24es5b5fcc32af182b7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300907280826h74c2d24es5b5fcc32af182b7d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:17:28 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560907281017u7b395710odf0b8f154ef2837d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "tavla lo na'e te djuno", talking to the unknown,... From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1961 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > hmmm, so does "X other than Y" imply that "Y"? "Other than" doesn't really work as a sentence connective, so if "X" and "Y" are sentences, then "X other than Y" is not meaningful, and it can't imply Y. > When I try to think of solid > examples it seems like it does, but looking at it in the form "X other than > Y" it looks like it really wouldn't. Suppose X = "snow is white", Y = "the sky is blue". "X other than Y" = "Snow is white other than the sky is blue" is not meaningful, so it can't imply "the sky is blue". "X other than Y" seems to work only if X is some quantified expression like "some ...", "every ...", "no ...", or a question "what ...", and Y is one or more instances of the "...": "every dog other than Spot", "no car other than mine", "some person other than John", etc. "What do you do other than being loved" presupposes that "being loved" is one instance of the things you do, and the question asks for other instances of things you do. mu'o mi'e xorxes