From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 11 17:11:20 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mb1R1-0007ut-QN for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:11:20 -0700 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.172]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mb1Qy-0007tS-Vj for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:11:19 -0700 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 25so1547708wfc.25 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:11:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:message-id:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date :x-mailer; bh=0aX/etecirxCGWmxOZ3yopK024ht3G1BYg0i2BYCX6s=; b=c8z5mh1enLBS3VuPxU0j17an64AAtrHGu/0DMueSAN9+OgTGGlufYo+h0FQmx19mpX UIbKH/Bpe0t2mNhSxghn+TBt2YT+8vocu3QSNpx+ES5Y4DLkKgCmYAGrgAzOdM3ocG3f wz7BiU/8LvwT729V0TEuqbyp6TB13c5Bm2ytM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; b=bptIdNwz//g4bcPCBNGw4TxxkQsdYb2qQzkB9dARTIl1cFYZHVtM6OjPMANuA4DNzd va/SM//HnHoInnuASWDJk97IkzlwufdS+JEEg0su8wEtTJ6JbIxvXEn14Hr2AoIs04R7 h9AqDdneaXv+cNXN84vpzcOtayPZMXvWe+TY4= Received: by 10.142.245.14 with SMTP id s14mr779651wfh.140.1250035876027; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.103? (ip68-226-115-170.ph.ph.cox.net [68.226.115.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm17920589wfc.31.2009.08.11.17.11.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0D9BB2AC-E2EA-448E-BE7C-53CF7919DDE4@choi.name> From: Joshua Choi To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: [lojban-beginners] On the attitudinal cmavo's definitions Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:11:12 -0700 X-archive-position: 2009 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: joshua@choi.name Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I have a question on some of the cmavo's standard definitions. je'e's definition is "vocative: roger (ack) - negative acknowledge." ui's is "attitudinal: happiness - unhappiness." I'm guessing (though I don't know for sure) that the definitions' first parts are the real meanings, while their second parts are the meanings' opposites. But why is this necessary or why was it done like this? It was pretty confusing to me—is there some subtle concept that I'm unaware of?