From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 11 21:25:21 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mb5Or-0006hE-Bj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:25:21 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mb5Ol-0006gA-Hk for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:25:21 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so3741082vws.25 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:25:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4Wo0UtVbhE6KxBFBiD150BlU4Gx4UI3tHE3i2GgxnqA=; b=tC09/J76UOWLPbovPCQMnUN5nk9HxOcY1Jlf5NcZ9fN8+U99slySdJTBf5bHMkfveh tOwibJvoPRG/ob6ctfiakJiV3pdKiAnwvsKVN5pXLxm03T7LEcRVyVFxOHn2uHLWrQUk aUtQZ29q9TZpZ2WJg7VIfzz9cuu0TJWUWdFkw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gXn5iU3x+NCR/oh7+IKxPgJY/z9DYOvJ0jSHKlJMOZNG0ny6Q5lNtjjUMI28gf3pJe YKfSYcy3uxWnKyusA0US7mayIlhNlyVX72IBqBNwW6PU1NXRtyqxYGjyJuaP3TYdpEZV PyjuYRSmHyKBvUmsBKbhSBQwmIvUqZ6PIVDYo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.12.10 with SMTP id v10mr510807vcv.97.1250051108867; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:25:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200908112147.07391.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <0D9BB2AC-E2EA-448E-BE7C-53CF7919DDE4@choi.name> <200908112147.07391.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:25:08 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300908112125t4efec5e9q7e5a74f128b51646@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: On the attitudinal cmavo's definitions From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64affb44b8d5d0470ea3450 X-archive-position: 2011 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0016e64affb44b8d5d0470ea3450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable some attitudinals even have three or four definitions like: ue UI1 surprise attitudinal: surprise - not really surprised - expectation so ue =3D surprise ; uecu'i =3D not really surprised (neutral surprise) ; = uenai =3D opposite of surprised. mi'e pafcribe On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 11 August 2009 20:11:12 Joshua Choi wrote: > > I have a question on some of the cmavo's standard definitions. je'e's > > definition is "vocative: roger (ack) - negative acknowledge." ui's is > > "attitudinal: happiness - unhappiness." I'm guessing (though I don't > > know for sure) that the definitions' first parts are the real > > meanings, while their second parts are the meanings' opposites. But > > why is this necessary or why was it done like this? It was pretty > > confusing to me=97is there some subtle concept that I'm unaware of? > > The second part is the meaning of the word followed by "nai". So > "je'enaido" > means "I didn't get that" (similar to "ki'a", but "ki'a" is used followin= g > (your mishearing of) the unclear word), and "le mi gerku cu morsi .uinai" > means "My dog died, which I'm unhappy about". > > Pierre > > > > --0016e64affb44b8d5d0470ea3450 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable some attitudinals even have three or four definitions like:

=A0ue = =A0 UI1 =A0=A0 surprise=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 attitudinal: surprise - not re= ally surprised - expectation

so ue =3D surprise ; uecu'i =3D not= really surprised (neutral surprise)=A0 ; uenai =3D opposite of surprised.= =A0

mi'e pafcribe

On Tue, Aug 11, 200= 9 at 9:47 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 20:11:12 Joshua= Choi wrote:
> I have a question on some of the cmavo's standard definitions. je&= #39;e's
> definition is "vocative: roger (ack) - negative acknowledge."= ; ui's is
> "attitudinal: happiness - unhappiness." I'm guessing (th= ough I don't
> know for sure) that the definitions' first parts are the real
> meanings, while their second parts are the meanings' opposites. Bu= t
> why is this necessary or why was it done like this? It was pretty
> confusing to me=97is there some subtle concept that I'm unaware of= ?

The second part is the meaning of the word followed by "na= i". So "je'enaido"
means "I didn't get that" (similar to "ki'a", b= ut "ki'a" is used following
(your mishearing of) the unclear word), and "le mi gerku cu morsi .uin= ai"
means "My dog died, which I'm unhappy about".

Pierre




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