From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Aug 15 09:16:13 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1McLvQ-0000qX-0T for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:16:12 -0700 Received: from mail-pz0-f201.google.com ([209.85.222.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1McLvH-0000p9-Jw for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:16:11 -0700 Received: by pzk39 with SMTP id 39so1267667pzk.25 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:15:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=KpLpouloW15GexS7tK1vTVw2fk49IG2H2E+fz1g5JM4=; b=A0GAxN1ft4BomEZTW9oDV7TSJQim5iuVjejOnhdcC1HmHBNAoBmJxfV0PeeHvWi5Le ZYp/DvK1xceGzBbd6SAa8owVXk+p7tAM0xJk+rDNqkukVAQhI+k7+8CCgIthCuX8bQdN HWjvSTCKQ4gOumt3BLrMu5YzetfVEkJtA+Eas= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=xMeWeEfu5S5nFktsIPP1403C+V4BjwPYea4Z8dMCfFd59sABRULo1gXpw5G+ll4i5a wpXp+IOq+/GE3ohoRIUwSCId4yhqvc5sE2iATZtG7D4fRGqUzHowfNjBRKTzMlO4mByv TtE7+LPZ2ihopTa8yaRdigJzDymhHCRO2pm2I= Received: by 10.142.3.4 with SMTP id 4mr454711wfc.124.1250352957525; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.101? (ip68-226-115-170.ph.ph.cox.net [68.226.115.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm7433001wfi.12.2009.08.15.09.15.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Joshua Choi To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <925d17560908150821k455d4c89q17f2bacfd34e92a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: coi ro do Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:15:49 -0700 References: <4A868DBB.7050008@cosmicray.co.uk> <925d17560908150821k455d4c89q17f2bacfd34e92a@mail.gmail.com> X-archive-position: 2014 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: joshua@choi.name Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Oh, I'm kind of confused now. Are these general guidelines for general usage? Do they override the guidelines of the reference grammar? Are lo'e, le'e, lo'i, etc. really deprecated? On 15 August 2009, at 8:21 AM, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 8/15/09, CosmicRay wrote: >> mi'e .kozmikreis. >> >> Can someone point me to a succinct explanation and history of xorlo >> please? > > Succint explanation: > (1) "lo" is the only member of selma'o LE that you need, and "la" the > only one from selma'o LA. > (2) Never ever use "lo'e", "le'e", "lo'i", "le'i", "la'i". > (3) Avoid "loi", "lei" and "lai". > (4) Use "le" only if you are absolutely convinced that's what you > want. > > You may also want to look at: > > > > I will leave the succint history to someone else. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > >