From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Aug 15 11:05:16 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1McNcx-0003mA-9W for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:05:16 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.211.172]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1McNcr-0003l6-On for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:05:15 -0700 Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so5024122ywh.2 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:05:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aFHVC0snpTihaTCrqfrL22pGdGEbTGdVujfC7bmvmIE=; b=MXimuj1GKXCgC3c0c4ZfeOtv+dq3P2PmHg4ZwGkbco5kFhYbaXdRbJdo+K4NMxiGEs f4kPxKdI7l8ndb1YeBsKvTh0QPYc08SdR7gXgTUt3y78LXMkVccJHyNASkLXMOV4uu8d X6KBVvpWSsB0HtdYEWfpY8OaAS31dDS241mXo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bqMbGXWnRsFYT296jY3G2dPBYBqmZyXDfZFBV3FX/ZQyRgsug+2TisW6FPiiqMJj1K cs8IHBAR97TrKUm0IRS4rUaarBKCTLfDJ9enxfga5lhU1VwukmyYOBt7uFuEer+5GJsQ XvC0aJ3ge0+FEZa2dMzmf/u9hLQM8tXLgDGMk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.32.4 with SMTP id f4mr1692202agf.101.1250359503101; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:05:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <420EC5E8-E9BE-4A46-B1A1-B12C0E986B79@choi.name> References: <4A868DBB.7050008@cosmicray.co.uk> <925d17560908150821k455d4c89q17f2bacfd34e92a@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560908150939w3233b3fdt84799e1d3932d2a0@mail.gmail.com> <420EC5E8-E9BE-4A46-B1A1-B12C0E986B79@choi.name> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:05:03 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560908151105s12098f36w76142ef0afe5a551@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: coi ro do From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 2017 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/15/09, Joshua Choi wrote: > I see. From what I can tell, "xorlo" is some sort of proposal for > reform of the article system of Lojban. But I have two questions: > > - The gadri proposal was "has now been accepted by a vote of 11 to 0 > by the BPFK". The proposal seems to date from 2004. Are there plans to > edit the reference grammar (and The Complete Lojban Language physical > book) to reflect these new guidelines, or is there still not enough > consensus in the community, or has there not been enough resources to > edit the book? I think the plan is to sell all or most of the remaining copies of the physical book before thinking of a new edition, but another issue is that the BPFK has been dormant for quite a while, so the lack is mainly of human rather than monetary resources. > - The proposal has information on the new meanings of the non- > deprecated articles, but none on the deprecated articles. (For > instance, why was it decided that the articles for typical and > stereotypical objects should be deprecated, and what should I use > instead?) I found couple of old mailing list messages, but they're > hard to follow. Where could I find more information on the proposal's > deprecation? "lo'e" and "le'e" were not included in that page because nobody really knew what they were supposed to mean exactly, they are still part of the BPFK to-do list. Depending on what you want to say, you could use just "lo broda" or "lo fadni be lo ka broda", for example. mu'o mi'e xorxes