From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Aug 15 11:52:50 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1McON0-0007YJ-KJ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:52:50 -0700 Received: from web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1McOMw-0007UT-Vw for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:52:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 79354 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2009 18:52:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1250362339; bh=MEIrsUxwnz0n4SJU/xMjoiYQco+OxfWJr0WVuAc+5ZA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=D7MGHfa69tOhqixGUre+sjpH6K0Ln1OBgky8FHR6A6pAWgOnQOZgGz89LWvtxIikl3eUx+8vq/aK6M8hjS00xWo8HYbLiBUgoHX4cnbr1fHCo8SZDcklk6aT+wXkOlCMv9kbJgqdRusAoGCDGUIqa8m02niTzgoJV4bq3Vx/De0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=y7HQMi6Yd64VqtCtaMxAaK7YBqsD80zpoUPXWLFgvgiMw41onU7MmHRz7SWAuvTm3WNxfnevH7gOCf+DnOL1HmV/KBQU39XBY1BVnED2v5I1nLRJXmeyyJm0yDDhsTYU2/kOn4dWkSF4emuce04lhK7ONaI5KZsLw8s/EapjHkA=; Message-ID: <97884.78483.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9G.Q89UVM1n._5DHFn65k3k_E2mJW.3am4ntwe459PjsCac.EuvGLR8GRVsw56Clc7KaCznva9auixvdKZ2_XPuwns3UMReXbWbq0Z74A.QWNKTNjenBhUIr8PdhTxCxX8Q49r8gg2i0wwuHw1tvj3MFWF83s52ZnRbAhQjibI5_JreDa4vbNBESwj6dsZsOpOB9YQpRVFKnH31aZlfpX0iuf_5p6txe2tan3D8iuijpxJ_tQIupT1H9qoJ4BjMrztYC6qss8r.o4S8AqjgTz8JHiSjqyDYzR4gZyb7bFoOFY7L37Kbd6vHQR_NN2dUBL3rC.AWC3dzgusBk.lMNjx_5_YxlLP4Urpe2L_be Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:52:19 PDT References: <4A868DBB.7050008@cosmicray.co.uk> <925d17560908150821k455d4c89q17f2bacfd34e92a@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560908150939w3233b3fdt84799e1d3932d2a0@mail.gmail.com> <420EC5E8-E9BE-4A46-B1A1-B12C0E986B79@choi.name> <925d17560908151105s12098f36w76142ef0afe5a551@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:52:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: coi ro do To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <925d17560908151105s12098f36w76142ef0afe5a551@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2018 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jorge Llambías > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:05:03 PM > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: coi ro do > > On 8/15/09, Joshua Choi wrote: > > I see. From what I can tell, "xorlo" is some sort of proposal for > > reform of the article system of Lojban. But I have two questions: > > > > - The gadri proposal was "has now been accepted by a vote of 11 to 0 > > by the BPFK". The proposal seems to date from 2004. Are there plans to > > edit the reference grammar (and The Complete Lojban Language physical > > book) to reflect these new guidelines, or is there still not enough > > consensus in the community, or has there not been enough resources to > > edit the book? > > I think the plan is to sell all or most of the remaining copies of the > physical book before thinking of a new edition, but another issue is > that the BPFK has been dormant for quite a while, so the lack is > mainly of human rather than monetary resources. > What does"dormant" really mean?  Is it in fact "dead"?  If "dead" then can it be replaced with a "live" one.  If truly "dormant" but not "dead", what trigger is required to bring it to life again? How long can something be "dormant" before it is "dead"? Can or should the lojban community continue to grow and evolve without a BPFK?  To whom does the BPFK report?  What is the president's role in all this?  What ever happened to the annual meetings that used to be reported on, but went quiet years ago? There may be perfectly good answers to all of the above.  If there are, why are they, in effect, being kept a secret?  People who are prepared to dedicate a significant part of their lives to lojban, have a right to know. Clearly there are members of the community who have been in it for a long time, know its inner workings and have great credibility in the community as a whole.  They are the ones who have to come up with answers. Newbies like me would like to help, but we need direction, suggestions and empowerment. totus