From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Aug 20 09:02:07 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeA5W-0005V0-7V for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:02:06 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeA5O-0005Rj-QK for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:02:05 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so4372226vws.25 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:01:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3OTBE9D7MXewNvY+XTv0hVclI9XBc2mYVFWWFa3jd24=; b=Rlpt2QpZM+aUOjBFWZfb5rQeCTUkqwsFp/z5VVbYP6rSpmhYrfMv1JRnZTuQ2cjl6R cfw6RvdCqIzITIU40iPgCwxLbEk6XNBpag0yhEHW5d8fkXytoS8iUegN8gChi1yUyTwQ iWLckJDEaUHDUHdHqNTJY1Rtrt7lFbb3iEkdE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=BZQW72Zc2TGsoG1/IYl5/iHcd2ctmcUAcw2I5e0qNVJ3twMkKiYZN1p9y4gdVfDMqH CioOqBMm4069qt6K6hv/EdiVxSH2AauCQ9740z4ZLCuc77jPP8PoddZEKYaP2k3qW0vX XIiAgs5XUbdh9X+NmQvM+6DUoseVBe99olaRg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.12.130 with SMTP id x2mr11255247vcx.75.1250784112361; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:01:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560908200856u4c49d587j5d4141ad7b96ae1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930908200722q955bd1x8bc039ed44060420@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300908200731lc1a4ba8s642007a3a81afdba@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560908200856u4c49d587j5d4141ad7b96ae1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:01:52 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300908200901p5c7b065du5a923b34df067f1f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Referring to selma'o in Lojban From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485e3e5c0b54209047194de52 X-archive-position: 2056 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --001485e3e5c0b54209047194de52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oh, I understood it to be {zo si} creates a block and then another {si} onl= y erases the quoted word, not the {zo} itself, thus {gerku zo si si si} would equal {gerku} not {}. Or am I misunderstanding you? 2009/8/20 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > ooo, that's interesting? So in {ba'e zei selma'o} does the {zei} > evaluate > > first and create the lujvo first or does {ba'e} evaluate first and say > "this > > is REALLY a lujvo"? > > ZEI acts first, because ZEI is a "magic word" and BAhE isn't. > > Magic words are: BU, ZEI, ZO, LOhU-LEhU, ZOI, SI, SA, SU. These are > words that ignore the selma'o of words they act upon. (BAhE on the > other hand respects the selma'o of the word it emphasizes, it doesn't > ignore it like "magic words" do.) > > > I don't know why I find battle between words so interesting {zo si si s= i} > > etc... > > The rule that the camxes parser uses for those word battles is "first > come first served". The jbofi'e parser probably disagrees in some > cases. > > BU, ZEI and SI, which act on the "preceding word", will act on a full > prededing block if another word has already acted, so "zo si" forms > one block (controlled by "zo" because it comes first) and the next > "si" will delete the whole block. Another "si" will delete whatever > word precedes that. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > --001485e3e5c0b54209047194de52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oh, I understood it to be {zo si} creates a block and then another {si} onl= y erases the quoted word, not the {zo} itself, thus {gerku zo si si si} wou= ld equal {gerku} not {}.=A0 Or am I misunderstanding you?

2009/8/20 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Luke Bergen<lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> ooo, that's interesting?=A0 So in {ba'e zei selma'o} does = the {zei} evaluate
> first and create the lujvo first or does {ba'e} evaluate first and= say "this
> is REALLY a lujvo"?

ZEI acts first, because ZEI is a "magic word" and BAhE isn&= #39;t.

Magic words are: BU, ZEI, ZO, LOhU-LEhU, ZOI, SI, SA, SU. These are
words that ignore the selma'o of words they act upon. (BAhE on the
other hand respects the selma'o of the word it emphasizes, it doesn'= ;t
ignore it like "magic words" do.)

> I don't know why I find battle between words so interesting {zo si= si si}
> etc...

The rule that the camxes parser uses for those word battles is "= first
come first served". The jbofi'e parser probably disagrees in some<= br> cases.

BU, ZEI and SI, which act on the "preceding word", will act on a = full
prededing block if another word has already acted, so "zo si" for= ms
one block (controlled by "zo" because it comes first) and the nex= t
"si" will delete the whole block. Another "si" will del= ete whatever
word precedes that.

mu'o mi'e xorxes




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